Buying Greenland

Dude there's a whole thread dedicated to this, I dont have the time or energy to repeat what has already been said and supported with sources elsewhere to someone who doesnt really care anyways and is just playing devil's advocate

 

You asked and I answered this like 3 weeks ago VG. We don't have to do our greatest hits everytime we jam.

 

Thank you for the effort in typing 8 words

 

You could have just answered in one sentence.

I remember you saying you hand out food vouchers to border crossers, apart from that, nothing. If you are referring to that, thats charity work, not protesting

 

This threads veering dangerously off course from one of Trump's stopped clock rule decent ideas, to just another thread about what a piece of shit he is.

 

There is a whole thread about the policies Trump himself has come up with?

Think more likely you are referring to a HF thread that is 95% garbage with a few posts actually about Trumps policies

 

Anyway, the three of you sound weary talking about Trump

One of the side effects of the social media age is everyone gets bored too quickly of the one issue

 

Making everyone talk about you all the time because you're histrionic and also hold the nuke codes is another petty tyranny.

 

No, I'm not blaming him for the current worldwide recession. But I think his trade wars have the potential of causing one here. Lots of economists think the same way! And recession is only one of the possibilities. War--civil or international--and dismantling of environmental protections are others, not to mention his authoritarian tendencies, court packing policies, and a cult of personality. And being empathetic by nature, I feel his divisiveness, revolting policies toward asylum seekers (especially the children), and statements and attitudes toward minorities are creating a dystopian society you don't have to live in, but I do

 

It's in the immigration area that his policies have had the greatest impact--that and the tax cuts for corporations and the rich, which are about to get our national debt to the $ trillion mark with much less economic stimulus than was anticipated. But if you're looking for other areas of bold policy initiatives, I agree with you. He hasn't kept his promises there. However, his court packing has enormous potential significance for the rule of law, and his relaxation of environmental regulation under the radar is reshaping policy in that area for the worse. A running list of how President Trump is changing environmental policy But it's the tone that he sets with his divisive tweets that is probably the most destructive aspect of his reign. Since he currently faces a Democrat-controlled House, his ability to implement sweeping changes is fortunately inhibited. But the looming China tariffs could have a big impact. Give him time. On second thought, please don't!

 

Lots of low level economists

You usually get lots of short term based overly dramatic articles in the every day news sources

Articles in the sources that target investors usually say something different

No one really knows if quantitative easing actually works, near zero inflation the choices are either that or head towards a deficit. Even if it does work its just another form of protectionism

Zero inflation, you dont have a choice anyway, this trade war was inevitable. As I said before Trump will make out it was his idea, most of you will buy that, blame him for the short term pain but 5 years later US will be doing better than Europe or China

 

How did we get into a discussion of quantitative easing? Interest rates are already at historic lows. Taking them lower may not do much for the economy at this point, and risks using up an important tool the Fed could use in an economic downturn.

As for the "my economist is bigger than your economist" argument, articles that target investors may have a financial stake in certain investment strategies.
In a recent survey of economists by the Wall Street Journal, more than half see an economic down turn by 2020.
US recession fears are growing, survey of economists finds - CNN
Economists See U.S. Recession Risk Rising Survey
In a semiannual National Association for Business Economics (NABE) survey earlier this year, 52% percent of the nearly 300-member economists see a recession by next year; and another 25 percent expect a contraction to start in 2021. Most Economists See U.S. Recession by 2021 | Treasury & Risk
So there seems to be plenty of pessimism among practioners of "the dismal science"--much of it well-founded. See also
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-alarm-about-the-risk-of-a-new-u-s-recession/
The Risk Of U.S. GDP Recession Is Rising - SPDR S&P 500 Trust ETF (NYSEARCA:SPY) | Seeking Alpha Recession 2020? Economists See High Chances
Signs Of The Next Recession

The 800 point plunge one day last week seems to have been a reaction to the inverted yield curve, which some take to be a signal of impending recession. Other factors include mounting government debt, surging consumer debt, interest rate uncertainty, a slowing global economy, and the trade war. 5 Signs of a U.S. Economic Collapse in 2019 Leading economists and historians credit the Smoot-Hawley tariff with the Great (ten year) Depression, so there is reason to be wary of such policies.
Trade wars then and now: Smoot-Hawley all over again
Remember Smoot-Hawley: America's last trade war worsened Great Depression

 

Just weary of trying to change anyone's mind about him. What's the point

 

Maybe it's the approach. Trying to change anyone's mind is a fool's errand. People's minds are fixed early, during development. Trying to "fix" people's thinking usually ends in frustration. How many spouses have tried to change their mate's mind to suit their own agenda? It's an old story.

A better aim might be to attempt to influence someone's opinion. The beauty of that is that it can be accomplished one issue at a time. I'm not saying it's easy, after all, your own opinion might be flawed. If your brainwashing target realizes this, nothing will change.

This is why all the sweeping crap about Trump is having so little effect outside of the lying and crying media (who make a living out of trying to change people's opinions). With a message as broad as "Trump is a racist, homophobe, sexist, bad golfer and a hater", only so many people will be responsive because it's so much work to interpret. Same with Global Cooling/Global Warming/Global Climate Change, it's just too big and nebulous.

Instead, focus on something with a broader appeal. For example, trying to paint Trump as a racist, even with all the dubious "proof" slathered all over the internet like so much mayonnaise, you're going to butt up against other messages being pushed that dilute the impact, like "all republicans are racists". Instead, go after only 1 issue that demonstrates Trump's racism and drive it into the stratosphere.

Same with climate change (and all of its previous iterations). You can't easily convince someone that buying gasoline will eventually turn the earth into a dry, lifeless cinder. Most people have little in the way of options and buy gasoline to survive. But if you address something closer to their lives, like pollution, something they can readily see and don't have to wait for centuries to witness, you can influence more opinions.

As I watch the democrats campaign on massive issues like climate change, it becomes obvious they have almost no connection to the issues that face average-income Americans. I don't see how they can hope to win in 2020.

 

not to go off topic...
but hahahahahahaha.

 

I appreciate your thoughts but I'm not really interested in influencing anyone either. The way I see it, if someone cant see Trump for who he is then that's on them. It's baffling to me because it's so glaringly obvious
(Also I've never really taken the "but hes a racist" approach because I dont think it's the most relevant thing. He's clearly at best a narcissist and probably a sociopath so his lack of respect for others spans across more than just race)


As far as climate change, dont take this the wrong way but this is an issue that my generation prioritizes much moreso than your generation. I dont think we have the same perspective on this at all and it's just another one of those things..either you care how it will affect younger and also future generations when you're gone or you dont, I'm not really interested in making baby boomers see why it matters. And I rarely come across younger people who dont think it matters or see it as some centuries away problem.

 

Trump's doing pretty good. Greenland was very disrespectful.

 

It's precisely how they are presenting themselves, especially the crying. Oh boo hoooooo Freakin hilarious. I am SO loving the show these days.

 

We called it Ecology and it was the subject of choice for science fairs and volunteer efforts for most of my teenage years. Before I discovered Disco, cars and girls. Though I met most of them doing ecological stuff (usually involving getting wet, hauling garbage and bit by mosquitoes). I was also in the FFA and 4H which were both far more popular than I'm seeing it today.

I remember things were a lot worse then. I remember service stations with a pit dug into the ground for dumping oil. That draws the EPA these days.

I think your generational perspective is seriously flawed. We were the ones who started ramping up the shame when we saw people littering. It spawned an awakening that has been hijacked for the sake of control these days. However, I rarely see ponds and creeks full of tires and broken bottles these days. So we must have made some impression.