Buying Greenland

Not just about his mental capabilities, its also whether he still has a pulse

 

The lesser of many evils elevates the least common denominator, which is how Donald Duck campaigned. All he had to do was denounce the government as corrupt and pledge to shake things up a bit. Many who voted for him confided that they never in their lives believed for one second that he would actually follow though on his campaign promises, because they are so used to politicians lying to them. Donald Duck was elected against the wishes of his own party leaders, and there simply are no standards or effective political parties anymore.

Even if you vote out Donald Duck, another one is certain to follow, because he has already made it clear the republican party are complete idiots anyone can walk all over, precisely because they have trashed their own government to death and could never agree on so much as how to wipe your butt.

 

We've Weekend at Bernies'd a President before. We got a lady president out of the deal.

https://www.biography.com/news/edith-wilson-first-president-biography-facts

 

Not all of it. Some critters are using it as homes and sanctuaries from larger predators.

But otherwise, plastic compounds invading the food chain will likely finish us off long before we can change the climate beyond the point of no return. Again, we should address pollution first and solve that problem before we even say we have a handle on climate change.

 

I think it's one of the few ideas Trump has had that is a good Idea, well maybe the only good one but how are we going to pay for it?

Oh, wait, maybe we can get the Danish to pay for it or we can just fire up the printing presses and run off another couple trillion dollars of "fake" money to pay for it. ;-)

 

This I believe is totally valid, and potentially the biggest threat humans may face, along with all the toxins from things ranging from batteries to the 100s of chemicals used to make jet fuel and other petroleum products.

All those plastics eventually withering down to single molecular chains

How is it a problem thats going to get anything but worse.

Certainly more of a concern than bloody CO2

The catch is, its all our invidual fault. We cant blame governments, or corporations for us needlessly going through 500 water and soda bottles a year

 

It was a combined effort (just like properly and responsibly dealing with it is a combined effort).

 

I dont see why it has to be either/or. Both issues can be addressed

 

Not on the plastic thing, its something all of us as individuals couldnt easily cut in half before we even start talking about the governments role

 

Just because we by ourselves don't have the impact of government measures doesn't mean we can't make any impact or can act irresponsible (like most of us have been doing).

 

Kind of what I just said

 

I thought you just said (like earlier) that it DOESN'T is or need to be a combined effort (as you say: no, not on the plastic thing). I say it obviously is.

 

Us as individuals first mostly

Hows that?

Combined can mean 50/50 or we do 5%, our governments do 95%, its still combined

95% us first, no cop outs

 

Biden is a political crypt keeper, like Jimmy Carter. He'll be kicking for a while longer.

 

Speak for yourself, I seriously need my Diet Coke. I've been strung out on it for decades. But, some demon in hell is currently collecting all of the plastic I waste to make a giant dildo to give me the abuse I surely deserve when I arrive.

 

Sure, but in what proportions? Think about how often you hear about pollution or ecology as opposed to global climate change. Look how many resources are gobbled up by bureaucratic payrolls. I'm not suggesting that Global Climate Change be scuttled. Only that we consider the incremental nature of the problem and reverse it at all levels in proportion to what can deliver the greatest results in the shortest period of time.

Power plants all across the US have been refitted with exhaust scrubbers to pull out the sulfur compounds and have done so with great results. But what's really impressive is that they are able to use vaporized ammonia to reduce the nitrogen oxides by over 90%. It's rolling back decades of pollution that used to be seen as "normal". However, government control has holes in its charter. Carbon credits is a huge one. It's a way to simply pay a little more for polluting a lot more. If pollution itself was the issue, they couldn't weasel around it like that.

 

Here's the thing with that -
I've been trying to cut out plastic completely so here's my experience

Straws and bags are the easiest, just dont use straws and always grab a reusable bag on your way out the door
Plastic bottles? I dont drink soda and my tap water is safe to drink so that has been pretty easy. The only problem is I often spend entire days on the weekend outside so that requires a little bit of planning on my part, if I dont bring enough water in reusable bottles I'll have to break down and buy bottled water, but still avoidable as long as I plan and prepare.

The real problem is packaging, which is unavoidable in some situations. Often times veggies are prepackaged but that's east enough to avoid too, just avoid the stores that prepackage in plastic. But meat is ALWAYS packaged in plastic. Even the local farms around here package in plastic. And any sort of processed, prepackaged food is wrapped in plastic. Cheese is wrapped in plastic. Bread is wrapped in plastic. Which bread is easy to make at home so that's no biggie, but still..to avoid plastic basically all you can eat is veggies and homemade bread lol.

And if you have a kid? All toys involve plastic. Even toys that arent made with plastic are still wrapped in plastic or screwed to a cardboard package with little plastic screws

Any consumer good you could ever think to buy is packaged in plastic

Beer? Packaged in plastic rings or those little bird friendly connecting top thingies

So to say that it is 95% consumer isnt really accurate, corporations need to rethink how they package their goods and governments need to enforce it

 

Mother earth is beyond all the abstract political debates, pointing fingers and debating exactly what needs to be done are for lawyers and specialists. What is clear is we needed to start cleaning up the mess long ago, and when billions of people die, it will be no comfort whatsoever to point fingers.

 

Quite honestly for 60 years or more we have been flying past tipping points like they were going out of style and now even if we all went back to the stone age it wouldn't fix the problems mankind has created, so it's easier just to deny what's happening and pretend that using cloth bags for our groceries is going to fix the problems.

The thing about global warming is the Earth doesn't have thermostat that we can just turn down a little bit. We have blown past all the easy things that could have been done and we are now long past the point of no return.

The smart money is now that some genius no one knows of is going to come up with something no one has ever heard of using unknown science and magically fix things so we don't have to stop doing all the things that caused the problems in the first place. ;-)

 

well i disagree, i think the earth can recover much more easily than we imagine. stop deforesting. reforest. that's a top priority. stop destroying the reefs and the ecosystems in the ocean.

BUT if you were definitely right, i'd vote we throw all our resources into leaving the planet.