Buying Elections

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Feb 3, 2016.

  1. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Limiting voting

    A number of people have suggested ways to limit voting on this very site not just the property qualification, some have talked about educational test or attainment (voters would have to pass a certain exam or show high school diplomas to be able to vote) others have suggested that there was some kind of degree of votes based on the amount of tax you paid, those paying basic tax getting one vote but those further up the tax rate getting extra votes, they said this would be ‘fair’ because those paying more into ‘government’ should have more of a say over how their money was spent and would also curtail the poor voting themselves ‘handouts’ (that ideas as I remember got some support amongst the right wingers on the site).

    But however much it might appeal to some on the right, it would, I agree be a much harder sell from what they are already doing.

    I mean it is much easier to sell the disenfranchisement of ‘criminals’ and championing the fight against ‘voter fraud’.

    And that could only take place because the Supreme Court allowed it –
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/26/us/supreme-court-ruling.html

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    Criminals

    http://sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/fd_Felony%20Disenfranchisement%20Primer.pdf

    “ 5.85 million Americans are prohibited from voting due to laws that disenfranchise citizens convicted of felony offenses”


    It might not seem significant in a population of 300+ million but due to voting systems in close run elections it can have an effect.


    One study found that disenfranchisement policies likely affected the results of seven U.S. Senate races from 1970 to 1998 as well as the hotly contested 2000 Bush-Gore presidential election. Even if disenfranchised voters in Florida alone had been permitted to vote, Bush’s narrow victory “would almost certainly have been reversed.”


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    ID’s

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/how-voter-id-laws-are-being-used-to-disenfranchise-minorities-and-the-poor/254572/
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/why-voter-id-laws-arent-really-about-fraud/

    [SIZE=11pt]And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found…[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=11pt]…Voter ID laws have all been sponsored by Republicans and passed overwhelmingly by Republican legislatures. A conservative U.S. circuit judge, Richard Posner, in a recent scathing critique of these laws, calling the expressed concern about fraud a “a mere fig leaf” and that they instead “appear to be aimed at limiting voting by minorities, particularly blacks.”[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=11pt]“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”[/SIZE]
     
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  2. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Oh and here is Last Week Tonight on the same subject

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto

    Voting
     
  3. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    The way this is being done in some states is to have the place where you have to get the voter ID at a great distance from where certain people (minority and poor) live. Making it almost impossible for those people to acquire the ID. This is not an oversight, it's planned. I also believe some states charge for the ID which is difficult for the poor to manage when they can hardly pay the rent and keep food in the house....

    If those shortcomings were taken care of, there is no problem with requiring voter ID's, but those shortcomings are planned in order to limit the right to vote for those poor and minority groups that just might vote democrat.
     
  4. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    They're using a light meter on prospective voters in some districts. Too dark. Can't vote.

    Not really, but they may as well. Got to weed them-there darkies outen' the system.

    Must be some reason people so urgently want to get/keep those plush jobs up there in Washington. Could it be patriotism? ( Oh, I made myself laugh!)
     
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  5. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    Some elderly black people have trouble getting government ID because they were not born in a hospital and have no birth certificate. This is extremely rare in younger generations, and among whites.
     
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