Butch Broads and Soy Boys: What Happened to Millennials?

Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed.

 

it is a stupid word. Mostly reserved for women's conferences and ted talks

 

I'm not trying to say that the ONLY things that empower men and women are feeling needed and cherished. That's good that you can empower yourself by conquering a goal and achieving something great. I do the same. But when you want to do little things to empower another person you care about, you do things that make them feel needed/cherished. If it were the opposite, women would be opening doors for men, women would kneel down to propose to men, and things like that. But yes I'll admit I was speaking in broad generalizations . Generalizations that break down the key differences between men and women though.

 

Here's my interpretation: Being the owner of a penis makes one a male, but it doesn't automatically mean he's a real "man."

Wife beaters are pieces of shit. Men who beat up their wives have (for the most part) always been held accountable and disrespected by other men in their communities throughout much of history western history. Soy boys still have dicks but when a man becomes subservient, passive, lacking ambition, and a wimp, he is less of a "man" than a male who puts full effort into solving problems and helping those who need him.

Modern men have the luxury of not being forced to go out and hunt for food and build a shelter for his family. But don't you as a woman generally prefer male partner who has good physical/character strength, and a man with providership traits? If yes, than this is just part of our evolutionary biology.

 

That's interesting you bring up men leaving for the gold rush and the numerous wars of the past. I'll have to look into the family dynamics of those historical events a bit more.
But going on a whim, I'd assume that the men who left their families to find gold did it in hopes to bring something back for them. With wars, a guy gets drafted and there's little to no way out of it.

I will say this though; the divorce rates in the early 20th century compared to now are up tenfold. People took marriage more seriously, and fewer children were born out of wedlock.

 

Depends on what you mean by that. A level of respect will get you a long way with women. The right wing types will not respond to this but many women will.

I don't think you know what Feminism is. You know what you want it to be to explain your own personal problems. I was raised by mostly women. My dad was there he just worked. So after school was my grandma (who I owe my view of kindness and morality to) and my mom. I am so proud to have been around strong women and I never felt like I was not a man. My grandma was old school cook for the house and clean 1950's style. Yet she was still intelligent and took no shit from men.

When you are not worried about proving yourself to other men women notice.

It makes many women feel like they owe you something (sex). It's a transaction so they like independence. The typical "nice guy" incel thinking. He thinks of himself as a real man and of course only real men treat women like queens. He hates men who he feels get what he wants without doing this. It angers him and society is fucked! Why can't he earn sex too? Women are so used to soy they should just fuck right away when a real man like he comes. It must be feminism confusing them. They don't know what real men are.

I will say I still open the car door for my lady. I bring her flowers and I tried to always pay when we started dating (she wanted to pay too). I fix shit that breaks including her flat tires. You also mentioned an issue with tire changes.

I probably did a lot of what you think men should do. Yet I did this as a male feminist. You can respect as an equal.

 

I see this as denial of the self...the desire to be supermen. Fact is, by definition at least, everyone with a penis really is a real man. They actually are men.

It's too one-dimensional to me to say that any one set of people represents true manliness. You may like them more. They may be more popular. And they can toot their own horns and say it's because they're really manly. But if you're willing to face the facts, you realize that the true history of men isn't that pretty. You can't just deny what men are capable of. And you have to question whether or not undesirable traits could potentially lie within you as well, given a different set of circumstances.

A good one is...would you have been a Nazi if you had been in Germany in 1939? Pretty easy to say no, IMO. But rebels were few and far-between.

It is manly to be conflicted. And I generally just don't think it's helpful to deny others' manhood. It's a way to build yourself up based on your particular set of circumstances.

I'm, personally, never out of touch with my masculinity. So I don't get these dudes who go out of their way to try and feel more in touch with their masculinity, by, like, barbecuing and shit. The truth is you don't have to do anything to be a man. You just are. If you have a penis, you can't fail in that endeavor. And it is up to you to deal with the sordid history of men and all that entails, all the conflict this arouses within you. No, to be a man certainly is not to be a superman.

 

That's true enough, so you attribute that primarily to people not fulfilling their gender roles?

Other factors such as marketing, television to an extent and now like dating apps probably make commitment more difficult imo.

 

You could probably attribute that to the rise in atheism too. Because people are just like, eh I'm an animal, monogamy is not a part of my animal instincts. I shouldn't have to settle for one partner, I should be having sex with anyone I want. The rejection of religious morals. And now society is accepting of that, especially younger generations. The promotion of the theory we can be whatever we want.

Well I don't see any male or female gendered animals having a tough time deciding what gender they are. Maybe they do and we just don't know it. maybe my dog is just a big mamma's boy!

But yeah, i think the reduction of religious morals and dogma is clearly having an effect on people in Today's world, especially that younger generation who don't believe in anything.

Wheras like back in the day of my grandparents still, they fell in love early as teens and they stuck with each other. They honoured the sanctuary of their vowels. I find this very noble indeed. nowadays people just say "I do" and I don't even think they know what they're agreeing to most of the time, which is why I found it of the utmost importance to write down the oaths we wanted to make for ourselves. This way we know exactly what we are agreeing and sharing with one another which also allows the opportunity to act our animal instincts without ever actually going againat the sanctuary of OUR marriage.

 

First of all, I cannot think of one prominent atheist that prescribes a complete lack of moral code like you detail, not to mention religious people aren't above acting like complete animals. Second, in the US at least, there simply is not a large enough Atheist population to account for the Divorce Rates.

 

Yeah well, like, that's uh, your opinion.

 

Well find evidence for the first, the second is a fact.

 

Yeah well like, you know umm, that's like just your opinion.

I don't need proof anyway. Look at how society is today is greatly attributed to the rise in atheism. We would not have many of the problems today if people were as religious as they were 100 years ago. It's already proven in posts before me about the 1900s.

People today are fucked in the head. And atheism is very popular. Two and two go together bro. I have absolutely no doubt, no qualms, that in.. 15-20 years time you'll see where I'm coming from. You will be too proud to ever admit it to me but it doesn't matter you'll see.

But you know, like umm, that's just my optinion bro. Don't let me spoil your Friday.

 

Your hubris and prejudice towards atheism blinds you from acknowledging that
I may see there are several other factors much more tightly linked to this topic and I cannot ever see me waivering from this view, particularly by unsubstantiated claims.

Technology, feminism, and postmodernism are all popular as well, more related to the topic and with a much larger scope.

 

Also in regards to the past and taking marriage more seriously as 6-eyed shaman puts it, there are some segments of the population which see gays and lesbians getting married as destroying the "sanctity" of marriage as well.

So why don't we add lgbt rights as well as to why people are fucked in the head.

 

I think you guys are missing the most glaringly obvious reason for the rise in divorce rates - the fact that women dont have to remain in unhappy marriages for a lifetime anymore because they have the means to work and support themselves

 

People used to marry just because they were supposed to. Not only because they themselves valued it more. It was bordering on being abnormal to not get married. Less power of the church in society and more individual choice simply makes clear that when its not a societal demand a significant amount of people don't marry.
I don't see any indication its a government plan to tear up standard family situations, done so to increase control over more citizens. Why did you connect these dots exactly?

 

Lol Oh you're just pissy because you've taken my term of atheist personally, like I hold you personally responsible. Lol.

Your opinions are your opinions bro. Mine are mine. I don't really care. I'm wrong about everything in your eyes.

 

I think he (and I) nuanced it correctly. Just because the church going majority lost a lot of influence on society/culture doesn't mean everyone who moved away from that became atheist.
It's not predominantly a loss of christian or just traditional morals, but more so the increase in personal freedom (regardless if the people who used that freedom were merely becoming more secular or really went all the way by becoming atheist, although a certain amount did of course)