Butch Broads and Soy Boys: What Happened to Millennials?

Double post

 

Societal roles were more clearly defined and accepted as "the way things are and the way things should be," not so long ago. Change is confusing and uncomfortable in many cases, but can now --especially now-- be seen as inevitable. A bell cannot be un-rung. What is seen cannot be unseen.

 

I'm introverted and don't tend to get too involved with all this identity politics stuff, so probably not the best person to ask in terms of the scope of it, but I know what he's talking about and it definitely leaks over into the real world.

 

I'm actually hoping he or the OP himself answers in depth and seriously. I also acknowledge what he talks about leaks over in the real world, but not to the extent it has the consequences they usually try to connect to it. Or that there's a conscious effort behind it to increase gubberment control.

 

Scratcho's post regarding change being confusing and uncomfortable could account for many of the issues surrounding changes in family dynamics and social values/norms but I would be interested in hearing about the government's plot for destruction of tradional values as well.

 

"a hard day at the office" was a statement never intended to be taken literally.

I think it's blantantly obvious that trades folk get the raw end of the social and cultural deals. Forced to wear hi visibility clothing, forced to not walk into a pub or bar in those same clothes. Grossly underpaid compared to administration and office workers as an overall statistic. Looked down on for doing "dirty" work, Labour. Why is damaging your body for a living paid so poorly? Why is working an excel spreadsheet paid so highly?

Why does nobody really want to go and get an apprenticeship now days? Because you start on the worst money imaginable for a labouring job. No surprises there, can work a computer straight outta shool for 40k a year, why would anyone bust their ass for 15k a year or less?

I don't understand how anyone could say there's no a social or cultural difference between labouring men, or woman, and the office folks. The two are. At completely different ends of the spectrum, and that spectrum should honestly be flipped. The numbers are down on labouring jobs. The men are getting old and retired and there's no fresh boys willing to take up the work so it's no surprise countries have to turn to Asian workers and influence. They're suffering the same fate but slower because of mass population.

 

I have no idea what this thread is about anymore lol

 

Funny stand up

 

Actually I do

I just find it interesting that my comment questioning the judgemental attitudes of those who feel the need to put down men who dont meet societal expectations of what a man should be (not talking about anyone in this thread, just in general) was met with the response that masculine men havent gotten what they're due in society

Maybe society is just cruel to everyone, no matter what mold someone does or doesnt fit into

 

Isnt that every HF thread?

 

Yeah pretty much

 

I was responding to this;

How are these building and outdoorsy manly men actually getting the short end of the societal or cultural straw these days?

I can see that, any minute of any day of the week just with the introduction of dress codes and regs at certain venues that forbid a hivis shirt. They're forced to wear them on sites and in workshops as their safety wear but can't even go to a pub for a drink because they're regarded as not the right dress code. It's not everywhere, yet... But more frequent. That right there is getting the short straw. Pretty basic and simple example I know, but when you see so do others, so young guys these days really aren't interested in trade skills and there's no doubts why.. You get treated like shit, you're looked as low in the eyes of others, the industry payment really isn't that great unless you're an engineer or something and you're doing so much labour, so much toil on your body and tbh they aren't really getting their worth IMO.

Countries are different. I know Germany is pretty good with its industrial leadership. But then I'm playing pool and I see a couple hard hats come in and get turned away because of a dress code. Been on site building all day just want a beer after work and it's like the establishments and society aren't intetested with them because they make the place look bad or something, because a 23yo with a trendy beard behind the bar says so in his collared shirt.

If that example isn't the raw end of the deal I don't know what is. They erect the buildings they work in with blood, sweat and tears and can't even enjoy a drink in that building, while folks bang away on a keyboard upstairs eating 2-3x the pay. It's wrong.

 

Thats such a first world problem though, compared to other problems people face. It isnt hard to change clothes after work before going to a bar. I have more pressing problems than that myself so its difficult for me to sympathize with taking 5 minutes to change clothes

Anyways as far as salary, you mentioned that in your other post....i can think of quite a few blue collar professions that pay quite well. Plumbers, electricians, line workers, carpenters, contractors, mechanics, etc...all these professions pay at least 60k - 70k a year ...and thats around here. They'll make more where the cost of living is higher, especially where trade workers are allowed to unionize

 

I wouldn't frequent a bar with a dress code. That's not a part of the bar experience.

 

Was it different in the past? I think not going in your manual labour clothes (esp dirty ones) to the pub was perhaps always common practice.
And dirty and/or heavy jobs have always been looked down on by a lot of people who could avoid it. The change is maybe that there are a lot of other jobs and kind of people now that are valued just as much? But don't come with the negative aspects of and views on a lot of manual labour (which from my POV still gets plenty of appreciation as well)

 

My bars are exclusively construction workers. And Indians, cops...

 

I don't think it really matters what is a first world problem or not, it's still a problem for some and not others. Treatment is different, end of story. As for money, talk to a warehouse worker and see what they earn and they're still slogging their guts out working in high risk environments. Get paid peanuts.

 

I know, but i'm just pointing out that there are high and low paying blue collar jobs. Just like there are high and low paying white collar jobs

Warehouse workers used to make decent money around here actually, until they had to start competing for jobs with chinese children

 

Here in Iowa everyone is covered in paint and grease and sometimes manure.