BUSHGAME - The Video Game!

No arguments there. BUT, you have to realize, the UN documents and records, as well as British and French records, all agreed that Saddam either had WMD, was very close to having them, and was pursuing nuclear weapons. As we all know, his "nuclear weapons projects" were just ideas tossed around the board room which he couldn't have afforded, and his WMD are nowhere to be found. But the CIA and FBI all confirmed that these things existed. Bush didn't "lie" because he never in fact knew the "truth", he was just working with bullshit intelligence. Personally I think the directors of the CIA and FBI should be fired for using intelligence they knew to be false or unreliable, not Bush.

 

i say the way to prevent this is to stop supporting terrorist governments like israel, give the palestinians some land back, and "american hateing" groups like the plo would dissolve.

this is no reason to go to war nor does it effectively counter ape's argument.

...and fox news is a joke.

 

bush was given the information he wanted. it was no secret that the cheney/bush group wanted to attack iraq long before they got in office.
are you denying that?

 

And what about terrorist groups like the PLO? Aren't they a bigger terrorist organization that Israel? I support giving full independence to Gaza and the West Bank, but the PLO won't be satisfied until every Jew in the Middle East is dead.

See at the top where it says "Associated Press"?

Where's the proof that Bush wanted to invade Iraq pre-9/11? Bush got what the CIA and FBI had - bad intelligence. If it were true it would have been reason to go to war (after all Iraq did harbor terrorists that would have shit themselves at the opportunity to kill a thousand Americans), but it wasn't.

 

well its all matter of opinion. i just wanted to give mine. i happen to disagree with yours concerning these two topics.

i did however look for credit to the fox story the first time...didn't find it the second time either. *shrugs*

 

It's the associated press, not Fox News. Go to their website and look it up there, Fox News just happened to be the first site that came back on Google:

http://www.ap.org/

And you're right, it's all a matter of opinion. I have mine, you have yours. At least we didn't flame the hell out of each other for 5 pages debating it.

 

I'd like to point out that the definition of terrorist is as such: Any organized millitary attack on civilian targets as a means to use fear tactics to crush the peoples support of their goverments rule. That being said... Why is it that there have been terrorist attacks on MILLITARY TARGETS?! Defies a bit of logic doesnt it? And Iraqi civilian casualties are nessasary losses... These are people who are dying. PEOPLE! Not numbers or statistics. Americans are torturing Iraqis. If you deny that then you are refusing to see the truth that has been set in front of you, plain as day. Iraqis are torturing Americans as well. If you justify this then your being inhuman. The point is that there is no way you can justify whats going on there. We're no longer aloud to see what goes on in those prisons. Former Iraqi prisoners are making claims to starvation and beatings. Its more then sleep deprivation and truth serums which YES IS TORTURE! "Lets stick you with this needle and inject chemicals into your bloodstream with untested long term results." Your walking down the street. Your on your way home to deliver food to your familly. But you look wrong to a few people in a van. They pull up and grab you, restrain you and inject something into you to make you "more coopretive" and lock you in a dank cell for days on end, not allowing you to sleep, not giving you a proper meal and all the time not letting you go becuase they dont believe your story. Is that right? Is that ok?

 

Actually, "terrorism" is deliberate use of violence, especially against civilians, to further a a social or political goal. Yes people are being interrogated, in some cases it's not right, but the cases that break protocol are not intended by the chain of command (they are the result of stupid indivisuals at the bottom) and they are still 1000x better and fewer than it was under Sadaam.

 

I find it interesting that Ashcroft wont hand over the memos...

 

Wouldnt that make any kind of attack that we use... terrorism? Or any attack for that matter, from anyone. We have a political goal in Iraq and were using violence to make it happen ARE WE NOT?

 

In defense of the game

It actually has a lot to show people. It really does provide true statistics and information to people about Bush's tax cuts ( and where they really go to ). I think the conservatives on this board will simply dismiss any thing like this though, as part of the "liberal" media coming to brainwash the minds of people. This game shows us how its not really much as left vs right, but Top Vs Bottom.

 

Yeah the defenition is vague, but here's one a little clearer from dictionary.com:

We're not trying to intimidate or coerce anybody, we're just saying how things are going to be done. Period. Once the new gov't is in power, whether we stay or not is in the hands of the PM.

 

PM.... Puppet Master right? Thats gotta be it

 

HAHA, Maverick, Shut the fuck up, you tell us not to listen to bias liberal media, but OBVIOUSLY all your info is from Bias Right wing media, your a hypocrite...

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

So any news source that reports anything that you don't want to hear must automatically be biased right-wing propoganda? The fact is that Saddam was funding terrorist camps for the PLO and other terrorist organizations througout the middle East (I haven't heard anything about Al-Qaida yet, could you post a link Maverick?) to kill Americans. Whether you want to hear it or not, or push it off as "bias right-wing", it's the truth.

 

This site seems to be plentiful with information, and more links.

this is just interesting.

 

Hey, maybe it is true, and i wasn't dismissing it as not true, i was simply calling him a hypocrite because he looks at anything leftist and claims its liberal bias, but anything to the right he will blindly follow.

Also, America has a big part in why those middle eastern countries are so fucked up. They gave Bin Laden Money, They became friends with saddam and were still friends with him when he gassed his own people, but Bush Sr. didn't care, he was making cash like nothing. America was and is friends with evil dictators who make them money, and just turn the other cheek to all the human rights violations against the people living in that country, it is even going on now, look at China and Saudi Arabia...

The People (Including Terrorists) in the middle east don't just hate us for no reason, they hate us for what our governent and other UN involved countries have done to their country over the last decade.

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

I should trust news from this site? http://www.papadoc.net/

Maverick, give us some credible links.

 

I'll never argue that Saddam is not an evil man who needed to be removed from power - this could have and ultimately would have been accomplished through diplomacy

We didn't have to go it alone

There was no IMMEDIATE danger there


Our foriegn policy is a JOKE right now. We have pissed off an entire world based on faulty intelligence and lies. Like I said I'm all for fighting terrorism, I was all for removing Saddam from power, but this could have happened without going to war - this is the TRUTH - the whole world knows this.

Maxpower and Maverick if you think that our invasion of Iraq has anything to do with September 11th, you are ignorant and misinformed. Please do yourselves a favor and read Project for a New American Century - Read it. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were planning this war on Iraq before 99% of the american public had even heard of Al Queda.

 

We supported them because if we didn't, Soviet spheres of influence would have been all over the middle East at the height of the Cold War. We joined the Saddams and Osamas to prevent the possibility of a nuclear war against the USSR, which was bent spreading communism throughout the world (including the U.S.). Would you rather have had WWIII fought and billions of people die in the nuclear holocaust, or have a few Saddams in power? Sometimes both options suck, and you have to choose between the lesser of 2 evils.

And by "done to their country in the past decade" you mean "support the state of Israel" right? That's the only reason the Muslim extremists hate us.