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Discussion in 'Gay News' started by txbarefooter, May 3, 2007.

  1. Dehnus

    Dehnus Member

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    The difference is Evangelicals have a better PR department if you get what I mean :D. When on TV they know to twist and turn thier msg in such a way that some ppl will agree with them even on points of view they don't really agree with. While the Taliban.... well.... Do they even have PR outside of websites and kids wanting to act all tough on the net ?

    Evangelicals are scary man they are starting to resemble the Roman Catholic Church in the middle ages. Far to much power in thier hands (just like with the Roman Catholic church back then). Also just like the Roman Catholic church all of a sudden got Europe to think the world was flat, these ppl get ppl to beleive the world is only 6000 years old at most ;) and other silly things :D.

    @Simkin And yes some Evangelicals are "gay" but I think they are very rare and more used by the rest as a discusion stopper that they hate gay ppl. Infact most Evangelicals will clearly tell you that the only way a gay man can get to heaven is not act on his desires to be with a man or have sex with this man. Most even go further and just say it can be cured and is a choice. You and I both can't deny how ppl like jerry Fallwell, or as I like to call him Geri Fallwell: Biblespice, thinks about gay ppl and how most of those big time Evangelical organisations think. The most influential ones out there are anti gay rights. The ones that are pro have pretty much no power compared to the "big boys".

    But I did chuckle at one point hehe :""you may be guilty of committing a 'thought crime.'"?. hehe Does that even exist? are those people really think god is constantly monitoring thier thoughts and keeping a naughty and Nice list ;). :"Ooooh thinking sinfull thoughts about the boy next door.... veerryyy naughty! Boy next door not answering these thoughts with advances of himself... EQUALLY NAUGHTY!" ( I love futurama LOL)
     
  2. knotdirty

    knotdirty Over the Rainbow

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    Karma.


    That's the only thing that I can say about Bush.

    On topic; What...the...hell..how can they even justify this? How does one group of people deserve less protection or fewer rights than another?

    Expressing moral opposition is one thing...hate crimes are completely different.
    Like..."let's see. Gays: You can't get married, you can't fight for your country..and OH YEAH, it's okay if people commit hate crimes against you."

    Stand up for your rights, babies. Just keep it up...keep your heads up.
     
  3. SelfControl

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    True, you have the right to say what you like. But freedom of speech does not equal immunity from criticism.
     
  4. Isil

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    Mehhh...

    The U.S. Constitution, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and basic morality in general are all being violated here o.o

    Those who violate these things (the president and such...) are contradicting themselves.

    - Its not very good to pick and choose whose rights you support, and whose you dont. You either support the rights of all beings, or no beings at all.
    - Our presidents swear to uphold the Constitution and all its facets. Bush isnt doing that at all...
    - They've attempted to ammend the Constitution, making same-sex marriage illegal. Why is that they think they can restrict freedom in the "land of the free".

    Again, I say meh :eek:
     
  5. SelfControl

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    I'm not sure of the minutiae of it, but apparently a lot of people argue that hate crime law is unconstitutional.

    You know, I'm quite glad we don't have a constitution. Considering what it is, it doesn't seem to make anyone's life any easier.
     
  6. Night_Owl49

    Night_Owl49 Since 2006

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    Of course he's going to veto it. He's conservative to the tee.
     
  7. Shaman420

    Shaman420 Herbalist

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    I will argue that the hate crime bill is unconstitutional and I'll start out by saying I don't hate myself! ;) It is unconstitutional because it violates the 10th ammendment's limitations on federal power and it violates the first ammendment in regards to freedom of speech. The U.S. government should be focusing on cutting down on violent crimes not making thoughts illegal. If you are a bigot, prejudice or a rascist than you have to deal with yourself but I strongly believe it is not the federal governments job to judge what you can or cant think. Much in the same way that it is not their job to judge if two men or two women want to get married. Essentially all hate crime legislation does is make it illegal to think hateful thoughts or say hateful things while commiting a crime... if we seperate the fact that these crimes are commited towards minorities we can easily see that any violent crime is a hate crime.
     
  8. SelfControl

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    Also, pretty much all murder and violence is committed out of hatred for the victim. If you hate them because they're gay or black, you get a tougher sentence than if you hate them because you're just a bit of a jerk, or because they cheated on you. I guess it's what they call "positive discrimination".
     
  9. sun_heart_girl

    sun_heart_girl Member

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    Ah, but remember my friend - all people are equal, but some are more equal than others...
     
  10. Peacey

    Peacey Member

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    i dont get it
     
  11. txbarefooter

    txbarefooter Senior Member

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    what is it you don't get ?
     
  12. sun_heart_girl

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    If you're referring to my post, it's from Animal Farm. If you're referring to the overall topic, then I don't think anyone does.
     
  13. lunarlight555

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    I can't believe this! So typical of the American right :(

    Canada is looking like a better place to move to with each passing day :)
     
  14. Humanman

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    I really dont believe in hate crimes for specific groups of people all murder is committed out of hate. If a white man kills a black man because he is black how is it different from killing him because he felt like it the man is still dead. But i believe if we are gonna give minorities and other groups of people this treatment we ought to give it to all people
     
  15. *~nathan~*

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    Its about time we IMPEACH BUSH!
     

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