Bush doing a good Job

War is a failure of diplomacy. Usually. This administration, however, decided to forgo engaging in diplomacy. This war was premeditated. The Bush administration was not able to provide any credible evidence that Iraq had the capablity or intention to attack us. No link has been established between al-Quaeda and Hussein. So why are we in Iraq? It's obvious, we want control of the enormous energy reserves in the Middle East. We're extending our empire.

As for gay marriage, wake up! Try evolving with the rest of us, you're stuck in the past. How the hell would gay marriage corrupt marriage for you?? That's absurd. I suppose people of different races shouldn't marry either, it was that way "forever"...Only 40 yrs. ago interracial couples couldn't marry.

Marriage is a union of souls, what difference does gender make? Not everyone marries to procreate. Most people who are against gay marriage seem to be Christian. Religion has no place in civil processes. This is not a theocracy.

So........please tell me why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed. Don't quote from the Bible either, it is meaningless to me. I'll tell you why you and others don't want it. It would mean that homosexuality is "OK", an acceptable relationship. And you freaks can't stand that idea.
You're right, lets go back to slavery. Women shouldn't be able to vote either right? (especially you) ...so get back in the kitchen woman! Cook something!


With liberty and justice for all.

 

Who showed up in Vietnam, Kerry or Bush?

And you should apply your personal opinion to your personal marriage. Not other peoples. And if your gay and lesbian friends don't want to get married, they don't have to either.

 

That is why it's MY personal opinion and NOT yours, so don't get your panties in a wod. Peace!

 

Then why the hell come to a serious political discussion board and post opinions you really don't plan on backing up? If my opinion were than all blacks and Jews should be exterminated, I sure as hell wouldn't talk about it because I know it can't be defended. In refusing to intelligently respond to an argument against your opinion, you're only informing everyone else how fallous your opinion really is (oh god I'm starting to sound like LickHERish......somebody smack me).

 

I suspect you meant to say fallacious, not fallous. lol.

 

Good post fylthevoyd. I hope the teens and twenty-somethings really listen and read-between-the-lines of all the spin coming out of the White House and Fox News. But I'm sure there are still some in here that will continue to follow their parent's politics, as that is what they were spoon fed as children. Then there are some who truly do have a mind of their own....and they know who they are.....they have seen the truth and the light.

 

Moonjava, tell me if ignorance is bliss. I would really like to know. The next thing you'll be saying is that God wanted Bush to go to war.

I remember when I was 18 and had not started thinking for myself, so to speak, as I was still impressionable and living under parental control. If that is your situation, then I recommend you get out into the real world for a while and maybe you will see how other people live -- like the gay community and women who desire to have LEGAL, SAFE abortions.

How will it affect you personally, if gay couples get married?? How will that take away from YOUR life or YOUR marriage???? Why do you see it as so reprehensible and offensive that two gay people get married?? I thought you were a Christian. Jesus preached unconditional love and tolerance, not bigotry, hatred and judgment.

And Kerry voted for the war because of the CIA "intelligence" that Bush and his cronies provided for all to see. Bush paraded Colin Powell before the Senate, with a vial of "anthrax" in order to scare everyone into voting for the war. Well, it worked. Thanks to Bush lies and CIA innuendoes. And Kerry voted no on the war funding so WE THE PEOPLE could have more control and accountability over the dollars being spent in Iraq. Kerry and others wanted to see an 'exit strategy' before signing over a blank check to Bushman. That is sound politics and I'm happy he and others said NO to Bush.

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Gay people getting married will not take away from my personal future marriage, but I think it takes away from the concept marriage as a whole. (Not nessacerily just for me). And the majority of the population, by the way, feels the same.
And I AM a Christian. The Bible says 2 men should not lay together... that is my reason for seeing it offensive for 2 men or 2 women to get married. It's my religion, which I take seriously. Yes, Jesus did preach unconditional love and tolerance. You can love a sinner, but hate a sin. Which I am a sinner, too so it's not like I think all gay people should die or anything like that. I have gay/lesbian friends. I'm not prejudice, I just don't think it should be allowed for them to get married.
Abortion... it doesn't matter to me if it's safe or not. I don't think I'd be concerned about the safety of a woman while killing her baby. (Not that I wish death or anything bad on anyone, I'd just be more concerned about the baby who never got a chance to live). Abortion is murder if you believe that life begins at conception, which I do. And I bet you can guess why? The Bible says God knew you before you were in the womb. And legal doesn't nessacerily mean right, either.
As for your comment on me getting into the real world...let me just tell you that, although I am young, I used to be very liberal in my thinking. I still am on some things, but I really think my religion changed a lot of that. But that's a whole other story... we wont open that can of worms right now. I'm not trying to offend you or anyone else with my posts, I'm just stating my opinions on these issues, which I am entitled to. Peace!

 

Yes, I agree that this is a serious discussion. I said everything I had to say on the issue in my first post. The reason why I didn't want to get into it with that dude was because I could see he wasn't going to be respectful with his whole "get back in the kitchen woman" remark. I don't care to argue, I'd rather have a mature discussion... not be personally attacked like that. Anyway, that's why. Peace!

 

Peace? Why dont you tell Bush peace please, and stop confusing your perception.

 

Oh please! I don't see how anyone can say Sadaam wasn't doing anything wrong. I mean, come on! He is Sadaam Hussein after all. If Bush can give the Iraqi's hope so they will stop being brutally tortured by their leader, then I would call that peace.

When I say "Peace" at the end of a post, it is like saying, "Bye" not "Peace on Earth." Yeah, there could be peace on Earth if it weren't for people like Sadaam Hussein. But since there are people like him, I'm glad there are also leaders who aren't afraid to do something about it to better this place in the long run.

 

Thank you sweatininthesouth for the support. Moonjava the issue at hand is the daily eroding of our basic rights,by our own government.By you focusing on irrelevent issues such as this faggot ordeal,just feeds the blind- sidedness that the government counts on from the general public.I don't agree with the gay marriage shit,but it has no business being an issue that the federal government needs to be wasting time on.This is exactly the type of distraction that allows bills to be passed that rob us of our basic rights.This "Patriot Act" gets stronger every day,and the potential harm that it carries,should scare the shit out of every American.Dubya and his henchmen ie.Ashcroft,with one word can deprive any body in this country of their fundemental rights,that word is"terrorist".They need no probable cause,no judge,or no warrants to do as they see fit.All it takes is for somebody to claim they know a terrorist,and then the shit hits the fan.A pissed off ex wife or husband could make a phone call against their ex and say thet were a terrorist,and then that person is fucked.That's all it takes,all in the name of homeland security.You want to read some spooky shit about what is going on in is country go to--- http:www.reclaimingamericanow.com
That site might open your eyes to just how deep that red,white,and blue dick is shoved up the ass of every American.

 

So it is okay for Bush to do the same??? Bush give the Iraqi's hope? Wake up!! You don't even know what you are talking about. We have several close family friends that we have known for years ever since my mother came from Tunisia. They are Iraqi, and they will tell you what they think about Bush liberating them. Dream on. Stop digesting the bullshit you read and see on tv. If you want the truth go speak to real Iraqi's!!! 10,000 + civilians murdered so they can be what? Liberated from this life??? Iraq is worse off, and the Iraqi's do not want America there!

Do me a favor. When someone at least says "Peace" at least they have some sort of intention for peace on Earth. You shouldnt even bother using that word if you dont mean it.
Yes there could be peace on Earth if they were not people like Bush screwing up America, and the world. If anything he is just as bad as Saddam. But unfortunately there are people like you who cannot see the whole picture. I am saddened that you think Bush is decisions are for the better. Look what he is doing...

Peace ( and I really mean it)

 

Personally attacked??! OK, whatever. You're being silly. I was merely pointing out your adherence and ardor for severely outdated viewpoints. If you are so enthusiastic about restricting the rights of a certain group of humans (gays and lesbians) then what's stopping you from gender-based discrimination as well? Or racism? It's all the same to me.
I am a female by the way.

 

Well then the homosexual community shouldn't have started this then should they? Want a bit of interesting news? Roughly 3% of Americas population is homosexual. 80% of Americans in many polls show they are against same sex marriages, yet Congres has 78% percent voting not to change the constitution. Now thats scary that 3% of America controls what Congres feels is right for America.

Bush isn't doing the same. First off Bush did't make the decision all by himself. It took our whole government to decide what to do. Also, perhaps your friends in Iraq were Sadam loyalists. Because 70k Iraqi's that call in to the new radio talk show they now have, say something very diffrent. I say 70k because thats the average amount of Iraqi people that try to call the 2 phone lines that the station has(daily). Also, damn the Americans for rebuilding Iraq. Damn them for building and staffing all the hopitals now. Before we came they had like 33% of their hospitals working and efficent, now its 100%. Damn the Americans for getting their schools back in order. Damn the Americans for fighting for girls to go to school. Damn the Americans for helping create a new government. Damn the Americans for helping Iraq make a profit on it's resources. Damn the Americans for hunting down terrorists that want to kill you. You are an ungreatful and uneducated bafoon.

LOL. You tell one person to stop believeing the bs they hear and see and then you quote something you heard and saw. Anyways, two days after D-Day, it was tallied that a little over 70 thousand inocent French cavilians died. Amazingly, still to this day, the French thank America and it's allies for comming to help them. Casualties of war are sad I agree. But for you to blindly think that they died for no reason is just stupid. Better than 20 thousand die in the fight for freedom than 100 thousand from not doing anything. Oh, and one last point, the "war" in Iraq is and has been over. What we are fighting now are terrorist groups that rebell against the idea of freedom. Amazingly there are non govermental groups in Iraq helping fight the terrorist grouops. Yeah, they wern't inspired by America.

 

I understand what you were trying to say, but this is personally attacking me. And I will be at the poles on election day helping put Bush back into office.

 

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Very good points, Real American!! Glad to know I'm not the only Bush supporter around here.

 

You're right, there are a lot of smokescreens in the media. But the reason why I said that is because this thread is about whether or not Bush is doing a good job. He is against gay marriage, and to me, that's a good thing. So that's just one of the reasons why I like him. But yes, I do agree that the federal gov should not be wasting time on this issue. There are bigger fish to fry here. But still, they are, and it's all over the news and they have made it a big deal, so that is why I said something about it. Peace!

 

"I didn't want to get into it with that dude was because I could see he wasn't going to be respectful"

Yet another right winger seemingly trying to get out of a debate by trying to claim they are upset by the lack of respect or insulting behaviour of a debater. Moon as metro says you’re just being silly.

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"It's my religion, which I take seriously."

I’m sure Bin Laden and the others in al qeada take their religion seriously as well.

"And legal doesn't nessacerily mean right, either"

Yep that is something else bin laden and al qeada would agree with.

"I used to be very liberal in my thinking. I still am on some things, but I really think my religion changed a lot of that"

And I bet there are those that support al qaeda who say the exact same thing.

All religions are at their core irrational and when religion becomes the basis for a political viewpoint it can so often become irrational and intolerant. What’s really frightening is that that kind of fundamentalist doctrinal thinking can so easily come to condone the killing of anyone that doesn’t agree with them, (and it can be the same with a political philosophy). The thinkers of the Enlightenment and many of America’s founding fathers knew this, I sometimes fear when reading some posters here that that truth has been forgotten.

 

Moon you seem to be basing your views on religious dogma in this case, the bible. So is your view that gay marriage is wrong based on your own rational reasoning or have you given up thinking for yourself and decided to allow some long dead worshiper of a middle eastern sky god think for you?

And if you accept that piece of texture without question do you accept just as unthinkingly the wackier parts of the bible, like the stoning to death of people for certain crimes?