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No it is NOT enough proof to ''overthrow another country''

Hindsight is a wonderful thing..

Their WAS and IS dozens of OTHER evidence that IS persuasive...

At the end of the day he reflected on the past, and that is correct thing to do.. just saying ''this war is wrong'' is unfair [with out] the same level of intelectuall and imperical evidence to support such claims.. How many 'claims' have those apposed to the war [not war itself] proven to be inacurrate or misguided ? , plenty i imagine.. Given the evidence as a whole and resolutions broken.. a choice needed to be made.. ofcourse we would not be having this conversation if war was avoided..

I admire CP for his honesty and candid assesments...

An article I happened to come across.

Few options left for Bush on Iran

As Iran takes a step closer to developing nuclear capacity, US President George WBush finds his options ever more constricted. The Iranians seem unfazed by United Nations statements. The Russians and Chinese won't go along with economic sanctions. And the generals at the Pentagon hate the idea of a military strike.



The central problem for Bush, according to aides and analysts, is that Iran has proven impervious so far to the diplomatic levers Washington and its partners have been willing to use. Some administration officials have grown increasingly skeptical that a solution can be found, raising the prospect that, like North Korea before it, a second member of the trio of rogue states Bush once dubbed the "axis of evil" might ultimately develop a nuclear bomb over US objections.

Bush is especially frustrated at Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has abandoned negotiations with Europeans and defied international pressure while talking of wiping Israel "off the map." Bush's chief political adviser, Karl Rove, complained during a Houston appearance Wednesday that it is hard to find a diplomatic resolution because Ahmadinejad "is not a rational human being." That has left Bush with few attractive alternatives.



"At this point, your options seem to be not good and scarce," said Ray Takeyh, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. "Your other option is living with it ... and I think that's what will happen." "Their Plan A is to put incremental pressure on Iran so it will cave," said retired Air Force Colonel PJCrowley, a National Security Council aide under president Bill Clinton who now works at the liberal Center for American Progress. "And there is no Plan B."

http://www.diplomaticpresence.com/

It's just a viewpoint though Shaggie.. we could post many varying opinions...

http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10032946.html

 

What were the dozens of other evidence that were persuasive, and if they were so good, why did the Bush administration choose to not pursue military action through the UN?

If we justify invasions and overthrows by Bush standards, just about every country in the world could be overthrown by the U.S. The U.S. itself could be overthrown by other countries. It would be great if people would see the absurdity of this warped type of reasoning.

And then after all these countries overthrow each other, they can say "Oops, sorry. Oh well. We knew better in hindsight."

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Bush and Ahmadinejad are very similar in their philosophies but at opposite ends of the religious spectrum. The situation between Iran and the U.S. is about the worst it could be in terms of the mentality of the two leaders involved. We'll have to wait until both of them are out of office before any real negotiations are made, and hopefully there won't be an invasion or overthrow in the meantime.

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I find it amazing that 27 years have passed since the hostage crisis and the situation between the U.S. and Iran is no better now than before, worse in some respects. It's as if we are back in 1979. Some effort is needed to have a dialogue between the U.S. and Iran to end this stalemate.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/agripes

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well lets start buildind more ICBM . any nukes that goes off here the entired middle east goes up in a fireball along with korea. simple plan that works. maybe we loose 1 big city. they loose all. it work with the USSR. ON THE 4TH OFJULY we parade some of our nuclear arsenal thru the streets.

 

The only thing left well be the oil well steel pipes caps sticking out of the sand "the ones near ground zero might be harder to find"

 

It was a UN presidential statement that called for Iran to temporarily stop enrichment while talks continued. That's not the same as a UN security council resolution or a demand for Iran to fully shut down its nuclear energy program. The UN and IAEA haven't demanded Iran shut down its nuclear program, although some of the Bush supporters want to trick people into thinking that.

Iran still has the right to enrich uranium within NPT if they don't use it for weapons or give it to others to use as weapons. I'm not saying that there's no issues with that, but people are spreading misinformation as if enriching uranium automatically violates NPT.

From the link you posted, Matt: Intelligence review says 10 years away from a-bomb.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/01/AR2005080101453_pf.html

The IAEA story you posted also summarizes Iran's right to pursue nuclear energy if used for peaceful purposes.

http://www.iran-daily.com/1385/2531/html/.

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Tell us, Matt, what your justification is for invading and overthrowing another country. There are many instances of threats or possible threats from other countries, but rarely is a whole country invaded and completely overthrown. Think of the chaos if we reverted to this mindset everytime there was a threat or suspected threat.

If the threat was so great, why didn't the U.S. implement military action through the UN? Surely it could have gotten the support from the UN if the threat was as great as it claimed.

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"We found the weapons of mass destruction--mobile labs capable of--(what--wudju say?oh shit--hot dog stands!are you sure?)Never mind--next question.

 

Fox News went crazy with that WMD thing for about a year, especially that blonde with the ants in her pants that would keep yelling, "We think they may have found the WMD! We think we found it!!" Everytime it was another false alarm. After a year, even Fox gave up.

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I don't side with any notion of 'invadeing Iran' [at this point in time].
I fully appreciate Iran has every right to a civil nuclear programe
I think most nations agree they have every right to that..thats not in doubt or a specific issue in contest.

Iran IS a nation that should be viewed with sceptisism ... they SHOULD be deemed a POSSIBLE threat..

I know how far away they possibly are [from nuclear weaponary]... highlighted in my previous post..

What do you think i think shaggie.. all out nuclear war is the way forward ..?.

I really should make my views clearer it seems [sarcasm].

 

I THINK IT IS TIME TO MOVE FORWARD..MOST PEOPLE HAVE...

 

I agree with you . I also think Hitler should had the Atomic Bomb that way all the smart English man like your self would be ..............

 

here's a wake up call for Republicans

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060416/ap_on_el_ge/gingrich_gop


you know it's over, when one of the architects of the admin says it (the future) looks bad for his party.

 

I have no idea why anyone gives credit to fucken goot ningrinch!He was forced to resign from office,he was having an affair whike blasting Clinton for getting his pickle puffed,he divorced his wife on her fucking DEATH BED!He has as much credibility as that idiot pat robertson or that other idiot jerry falwell!Altho I agree that the republicans are hopefully THROUGH for a number(big number) of years because of their lying,self aggrandizing,incompetant,piece of shit selves.Any one who could now be ,at this late date after seeing how they operate, admit that they are republican,should have their eyes and ears checked,because they sure as hell aren't working.I won't be aligning myself with a bunch of lying ,theiving outlaws that have no respect for this country!

 

Yea, so much for 'family values'. WHAT family values? When Gingrich first got in as House Speaker, he said all kids whose parents were on welfare should be taken away from them and put in orphanages. And these right wing "Christians" keep voting for these Nazis and believing all of this "family values" crap. What an ignorant bunch of fools.