Burn your own flag?

isnt it ironic all the european countries' who accused america of cultural genocide for our 'melting pot' theory are now desperately trying to find ways to integrate their immigrants into society?

 

sorry what are you saying here?
i believe people accused the initial europeans who moved to america of killing off a culture, whereas modern Europe is trying to bring cultures together. your statements makes no sense
peacex

 

i take it you dont understand the theories of 'melting pot' and 'salad bowl' integration.

Melting pot is many different cultures all coming together and creating one society.

Salad bowl is cultures not integrating, but living in the same place, i.e. 200 distinct cultures that in no way combine.

I think we can look at Europe and see that the salad bowl idea is an utter failure.

 

ermm yeah the problem i had was that i have never heard that Europeans commented that upon America, unless your talking long long time ago history, which actually is not the European who live today.

how do you mean utter failure?? do you live in Europe, i do, i have lived in a hugely multi cultural city the whol of my life where white english where the minority in a lot of instances in my age group, and i have never came across issues, i have friends of all faiths, cultures etc, and there is no problem.

 

No, i live in the US.

take a look at the problems of immigration in France, or England. You basically have mini irans inside countries. Instead of a French People who are made up of whites, north africans, etc...you have "The French" and "The Muslims". How about England? They have allowed a radical muslim sect to breed in their own country by not completely integrating them.

Ultimately, you need to create one society, not one country with 300 societies..they don't work.

It is a problem we have had here in America with blacks..if you don't integrate into ONE society, you are only asking for trouble.

 

yeah it was harder for black communities to feel part of America, (with the slavery).
however we do have some issues in England, but from my personal experiences, i havn't seen many issues with a mix of cultures, to many people this gives us a reason to be proud, that there is such a mix. of course there will be cases where this doesn't work, but i lived in teh second largest city, one of the most multicultural city and it had a awesome atmosphere and such a air of friendlyness from all cultures, so i fail to see the problems
peacex

 

Would I burn the flag? IT's just a piece of cloth! But its a symbol. Used to be a symbol of a great nation, lately has become a symbol of war and power at all costs...
So, it bothers me not at all to see it burned. The act of burning provides a strong message that is probably needed right now to help wake up the world. But it IS a very negative act. A more positive act would be to paint huge peace signs on them and fly them proudly. You know the tee shirts that say "Proud to be an American"? Well, what about "Proud to be an American Pacifist"?

 

id do it to get attention. its just a flag, an object, not an acctual things. its not like your burning your government down or anything, just a flag.

 

just because you've never seen it, doesn't mean it does not exist...i have never noticed any tension between blacks, whites, and latinos in America. Does that mean there are no tensions? Heck no.

 

I wouldn't burn my flag both because, generally I'm proud to be Canadian (well, until fucking Harper got in), and second, because it seems pretty pointless and unproductive, as opposed to protesting against specific issues.

 

and have you seen it in the Europe?? so whjy are you commenting, i'm sure it does happen, but you where making out that Europe is proof is doesnot work when you do NOT live here, and I lived in a huge city which i believed proved you wrong, it did work and will continue to do so.
i am proud that the UK is a multicultural place where no emplasis is placed one culture for all to aim towards.
peacex

 

Does it really make you not proud to be a Canadian because a new government was elected in by the people after the massive scandals of the old one? wow.

 

do i even need to point out the extremism that is ripe in England, France, Spain and other nations? The bombers who attacked London were English. One only has to drive a short ways out of the center of Paris to be in a virtually different country.

Surely i do not have to live a place to comment on it.

Do you really believe that the immigration systems in Europe are perfect and that everyone is being integrated?

 

This is more of what we call far right excuses.

Putting the blame on minority groups, or more precisely, the colour of someone's skin. Its not that simple...I am getting really sick of this racial segregation bullshit.

My major concern is that if these "White England" or "White Australia" policies are ever fully realised...the general population would have so little understanding of foreign cultures that governments could not be held accountable for their actions in global diplomacy. Its potential extremist racism down to a T.

"The extremism that is ripe"? that ones really ripe.

 

only you would take me blaming the majority for NOT INTEGRATING the minority as 'putting the blame on minorities' and 'far right excuses'

 

In disputing brothwood's post, you we're standing up for a bunch of quite misinformed implicitly racist people and therefore I consider you in the same group, your own post seems substantial enough but if I am mistaken please state your true attitude towards immigration and cultural integration.

Perhaps the above words were slightly harsh, and quite characteristically left. Here is a more detailed and rational explanation:

I spent a fair amount of time considering the ideas of many contraversial thinkers who advocate that immigration to Australia or England should be stopped because "foreign cultures and western values simply cannot exist in harmony", because they on first look, they make a slight amount of sense. However I eventually came to the conclusion that these ideas are simply quick fixes for far very complex problems, and in encouraging racial segregation we would only be making worst problems for humanity on a global level.

Ultimately I find the white person's characteristic fears about immigration very irrational, and very in tune to whats coming out of our television screens.

I'm not terribly informed on these issues but thats my stance and if you disagree I can explain my ideas further. I am also not advocating that you are one of these extremist thinkers...sorry if I based my response on pre-conceived notions.

 

Without reading the previous posts my reply to the topic would be that if an individual is destroying a nation-states symbol of dominance and authority chances are its not "theirs". If you dont accept submission then why not? there's nothing sacred about a a flag...

 

Its just as sacred as my sock.

 

I totally agree with you Megara

 

Again I agree with you.

A white man is not allowed to make any sort of statement about minority groups without being called racist or far right (a more polite term for racist).

By the Brothwood where do you live in Britain? Because there are huge segregation problems in London (Brixton) and Bradford (no white zones). Milton Keynes and Luton and also hotbeds for racial violence and Leeds is hardly a cosmopolitan city working well.

London works fine as a whole but there are places white people dare not go at night and worse than that there is black on black violence.