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just because we're talking through the internet doesn't mean there aren't people on the other end with thoughts and feelings, and making overemotional ad hominem attacks is really no better than faking positivity and innocent misunderstanding like you were doing before. i would appreciate some self-honesty on your end so that we can have a civil, calm conversation.

you don't come across as a bunch of know-nothing losers (not even you, though you do come across as maybe a bit too emotionally invested in the goings-on in this forum), and that's not what i was trying to say. sorry you understood it that way. so far, you're the only person with whom i've had any overtly negative interactions, which says more about you than me -- my other interactions thus far have been perfectly pleasant.

the meaning of my post was perfectly exemplified by what you just wrote to me. that some of you (not all) seem far-removed from your past psychedelic experiences, and that despite your 35 years of experience, you're willfully engaging in negative interactions when truthful interactions are right at your fingertips.

please stop welcoming me. it's untrue. you're acting like i'm not welcome at all, and saying welcome sarcastically is... distasteful.

also, calling me an arrogant asshole must be against some kind of verbal abuse rules on the forum, no? c'mon, you're so super experienced but you're name calling and being kind of immature. there are other ways to work out understanding and misunderstanding, and i don't really want to fight with you.

and, again, you treated me condescendingly and as if my knowledge of my own experience was invalid before i'd even said anything to you. so i'd choose my words wisely -- "pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind.

 

Let's see, your first post;

is rather an aggressive, condescending statement that implies that members of this forum "don't get it" or "have lost it" and what we share is irrelevant, and by making such a statement such as that you set yourself on some type of "higher level" than the rest of us.
I doubt I'm the only one that got that same impression.

I then honestly responded that I wasn't completely clear what your point was and tried to provide a link from which you could get access to many trip reports from many members. You responded with this;

Kind of a smart-assed reply. Then you basically throw down a challenge to "engage you bluntly". When I do you then come back with the post above.

Neither I nor anyone else has to conform to your ideas of what a person experienced with psychedelics "should" be like. There is a wide spectrum of people here covering all personality types. If you are expecting everyone that has used psychedelics to conform to your viewpoint, you will be sorely disappointed.

Regardless of what you may think, my welcome is genuine because I don't expect you to conform to some mold of a psychedelic user, and I welcome all viewpoints and experiences because that's just life.
I am being honest, but apparently I don't fit into the little box you think I should.
So we can just move along accepting one anothers differences and share and learn from one another or not, your choice.

 

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This is to me the most insightful post on this thread so far. It certainly rings true to my experience, if not with LSD, then with psychedelics in general. I may think I've got it, understood the experience, had the full-blown thing, then a later experience at a higher dose will reveal that the smaller dose was small-potatoes compared to the "real" thing...it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there is an even bigger, realer, "real" thing that I haven't seen yet.

One isn't THE real thing, and the other some fake thing. They're different experiences, different levels of intensity, different degrees of understanding...Thought I saw God on my first acid trip. Despite subsequently having much more intense trips on acid and other substances, I still believe something totally unique, special and real happened that day. No need to dismiss it.

Maybe cliche's are cliche's for a reason...

 

ok, ok, i admit it, you got me

all my trip reports were made up because i want strangers on the internet to think im insightful :bigcry:

 

:sunny:

 

i've mentioned crying on a few of my LSD trips. it certainly does make me emotionally tumultuous.

after tripping many times, i don't get quite as severe a lack of appetite. i enjoy eating something small during most of my trips, or something large near the end of my trip.

a really enjoy an orange or some other fresh fruit while near the peak of LSD. everytime i do it, it is THE BEST ORANGE EVER!

like raga just said...

Ann Shulgin said something to that effect in PiHKAL. when you're sober and reflecting on a trip, and talk about feeling One with everyone/everything, it DOES sound kind of cliche. but when you are actually experiencing it, and realize that other people have experienced very close to the same thing...it just makes sense. the cliche had to come from somewhere. i find this Oneness one to be quite true, at least when under the influence of a strong trip

 

Yes, the cliche got to be that because a lot of people were reporting it. It's something of a cliche to say, "I saw myself as I really am." But if you experience or understand that from acid consciousness, it's overwhelming. Some of those cliches have reverberated through a lot of years for me.

You'll have to admit, LovetheDead, that your first post was provocative and insulting. My guess is that you accomplished what you intended: piss someone off and get into one of those internet back-and-forths.

 

Was watching a Terrence Mckenna video today. He was saying how people get so worked up on the fractals and the colors, "ooh the colors, the colors, they were sooo amazing"..."forget the freaking colors!". He went on, "if you take a sufficient dose, and I mean a sufficient dose, not a willy nilly dose, then you should have a FULL ON VISIONARY UNFOLDING of events and information with archetypal significance beyond what can normally be conceived."

A lot of a this experience you would expect from a mind altering experience, you feel good, you feel high, you experience sensory distortions. A lot of you can try to right off as just effects of drugs.. What you can't seem to right off, if you really get the trip, is the way the experience unfolds. As if its some supremely calculated set of experiences intended to bring you into certain state of being, and witness this event that has been eternities in the making.

Even though the amazing colors are just the tip of the iceberg, your right, you shouldn't just right them off completely. They are the little triangle hit that makes the symphony complete.

On the other side, I have had what I consider the creme de la creme of psychedelics. Complete ego death, god consciousness, the pure state of being. I feel like I have had a true spiritual experience. Yet I feel their is much more to be explored. I feel like I went to the peak of the mountain but missed some of the stuff in the middle. I went inward to the soul, but is their other dimension to this.

Full alien contact such as Mckenna explains. Explore more of life in the hyperdimensional regions of space. Learning of Hyperintelligent mediums of technology.

Mckenna also was saying how it was introduced to him as a instant therapeutically substitute or self exploration tool. He explains how this is the lower of the uses for psychedelics. The higher uses is a contum leap for mankind.. first contact with a more intelligent being.. the means for an elevated existence.

 

Terrence McKenna used big words to say simple things. Break it down.

 

Who said I was talking about the amazing colors?

I think it's a mistake to draw some lower boundary of "real" experience. You say you experienced "complete" ego death, but surely you can conceive of an even more complete ego-death than the one you experienced? Say you took twice the dose with same set & setting? Do you really think you went "to the thin line, beyond which you really can't make" ? All these things are spectra.

You can't draw the line between "valid" or "sufficient" experiences and "partial" or "tip of the iceberg" experiences. In my opinion.

 

^^^i can say that for myself though.

for example, 25 mg 4aces felt like the tip of the iceberg. quite weak.
32 mg was like a bigger piece of the tip.
45 mg was a valid trip
but i suppose you can never know that you've seen the WHOLE iceberg

 

Many of his ideas are actually quite complex, and don't forget he's an academic, speaking to an academic audience

 

I didn't literally mean that you were talking about the colors. I meant that it was something seemingly insignificant to rest of the trip, but that it should not be taken for granted.

I know earlier you saying something similar to how this trip might not be the most intense trip you ever had, but that it still full of important insight and shouldn't just be written off.

When I said tip the iceberg experience, I mean you got colors and sounds, you had some self exploration, you may experience ego softening. You get some of the goodies, but not the whole package.

In the full experience, you become integrated in the experience, to the point where the experience is no longer happening "in front of you", but you actually are the experience, like your watching a television and all of sudden your body becomes whatever is on the tv screen.

Its hard to explain it better then complete ego death, or this or that. My words are just words... you have to read between the lines. It really all depends, I feel like a had a much greater experience on 5 grams of mushrooms then I've had on 14 grams of mushrooms or 10 hits of acid.

I really want to explain this more... but it is getting harder. Let me tryin explain it in Video Game terms. In GTA, you can beat the game without completing all of it. You can do all the main story missions, and beat the game, and therefore reach the peak of the game. Now at the same time, there is still all this other stuff you can do. You don't need it to beat the game, but still, theres like 100 missions you didn't do, and 100 other fun or interesting things you missed.

A lot of us here have reached the peak of the game, we have come in contact with our original source, with the spirit of all life. That is one of the most precious gifts! Now that we've done this, there is still a hundred other levels we can do, before we get the cool tshirt that says "I completed the game".

Basiccally now that we've found our souls, what can we do now to make the earth more soulful. Or now that we know there is interdimensional space, where can we travel in that interdimensional space.


As for the Mckenna, Im not sure what you didn't understand.. Hyperdimensional? Hyperintelligent?? Archetypal?? These are common words in these here HipForums.

Basically what Mckenna was saying is that these psychedelics are more then just mind altering drugs. They are communication devices from one species to another. They are a way of communicating with higher intelligence, a way to bring forth our two worlds into one. This isn't a high, it is sexual intercourse with an interdimensional being. A being that exist in multiple realms of space and/or time at once.

When you trip it is not just one random hallucination after the other. It is a build of events. Visionary unfolding... if you ever had these you know, they literally UN-FOLD out of you. Like a flower opening up, youll see a vision of trains and cars transform into futuristic flying machines. You'll see whole millenia of social events, pass through your eyes in minutes.

You will experience archetypal events, that congrue with eachother and paint a picture. This is hard to explain, but if you experienced you know what I mean. The mushroom basically tells you storys through these different things. You mind might start playing out the story of the theif who stole the cow, and later in the trip you might play out a king's day on his throne. And somehow these will mesh in your mind in a certain way that you will come up with the dynamics of hierarchy. You may realize something deeper like you can't have the king without the begger, or something of that sort. You will literally be taught a lesson through different archetypes.

These are not inanimate objects, these are animates beings, with knowledge they are injecting into your soul. We do not ever go as far as we could be going with these things. We need our pioneering boots and large large doses of this stuff! Whenever I hear Mckenna talk my mind gets transported to another dimension of thought, I know there is a great purpose for these things that we have yet to fully acknowledge.

One more Mckenna, "if these aliens were to come in the spaceships and say were here, it would be like the same thing as soviets coming to your house and kicking down your door. A vastly more intelligent species that would have genetic restructuring down to a pinpoint science would probably come up with a much more elegant way to greet us. Is there any gaps in their society where we could present ourselves to those who aren't to fixed with their reality pattern, that they would give us a chance to come forth. They would say, oh these human species like to intoxicate themselves. Well maybe if I hide myself as drug, I can enter in more discretely. That is the more elegant way to intercourse with your consciousness, that way I can really get in their and by the will of the taker. Then if they say, I saw aliens, I saw Aliens! Others would say of course you did, mitch, you were on drugs!"

Huh, not think about of it.... if they really did that... now that is superintelligence.... how does anyone think of something that intelligent... to disguise an entity an organic compound.... the fact that this can be conceived almost verifies the fact that its possible... kind of think of it.... if I were an alien... Yes yes I would defiantly hide myself in magic mushroom!

 

That's just the sort of thing a human would say

Mckenna had very elegant and wild ideas himself but I appreciate them more as a tribute to a sharp and imaginative mind than as a literal description of what is going on with psychedelics. I have still yet to read or experience anything to do with psychedelics (and I feel I have gone deeply in both ways) that leads me to believe there are intelligent extra-terrestrials involved in any way.

It seems hard for you not to believe something Inthydreams. So many gods, so many prophecies, so many aliens, so many minds.

 

I also have yet to encounter anything/anyone during a psychedelic experience that was "other than me", although I will say I've had a few experiences in which I did "encounter" something "other than me" but no psychedelic substances were involved.

 

i saw "aliens" on dmt. doesn't mean they are real.

hiding a whole entity (made up of 1000s of molecules) into a drug made up of one type of molecule seems quite near impossible to me.

mckenna sounds off his rocker

 

Maybe your right Writer... sometimes I get carried away in things... At the same time I have authentic experience that would lead me to have faith in some of these things.

I often get caught up in the moment and spread a string far out ideas out on the forums... but take it with a grain of salt... its not my core beliefs, I guess you could say just fantastic possibilities.

I will say a lot of what Mckenna makes sense, crazed as it may be...

He said that the alien contact scenario is unique to the tryptamine family, especially psilocybin... Supposedly the molecular structure of psilocybin is unique on this planet, nothing else has it 4 phosphorous set up, so he believes its like an "alien fingerprint".

Now from what you've said on here, it seems you have done lsd quite a lot more then mushrooms, but you also have 4aco and dmt/dpt experience. Was there nothing like a presence there? Like something from beyond was there reaching out to you. Any alien information not of this world? Information of the universe before its time?

I remember very clearly a night on 5 grams of mushrooms in a hotel room with some friends. I had went in the bathroom alone, and sat in there, and everything got real quiet... I staring at the bathtub, at the back part where it goes up to put your soap.. and I was staring at the marble streaks going down the bathtub.

Then all of sudden the room changed, everything looked etheral, like its was floating and glowing. Right where I was staring it was like the molecules ripped open, and like a veil being removed, it was I was seeing across into some other space. And then these etheral beings, they just looked like tall people but there bodys were just made of some kind of fluid light. There presence was so strong, like they coming through, coming to present something of eternal importance. Like this something had nothing to do with us a humans, and everything to do with the inner workings and evolutionary process of consciousness through eternity. There was no why to why I feel this way... it was just the feeling that had come... just the presence alone explained it all. I was not up to the full commitment, I think a bang from outside the door broke the trance. The light recessed back into the tare in reality and as the closed up, the room went back to looking the normal, well psychedelically normal, the light was gone but everything had that clean hidef stellar look to it.

It is events like this that I look to source like Mckenna. He is one of the only people in the world that can actually attempt to explain this, and at more then just the psychiatrist level. '

Not saying that its all real, but not saying that its all not real either... there could be another explanation... but only time will tell.

That is the question whether this all from in our heads, or whether these actual encounters.

Mckenna was saying that these tryptamines would be like a key, unlocking some genetic coding, that would bring us to state in which we could reach these aliens. It would be like hyperdimensional chat session. Also if we are talking higher life forms, they may not have bodys anymore, maybe they more like a spirit which could inhabit any size place to fact they are dimensionless.

Haven't you ever seen Men In Black? A whole entire universe could live inside a tiny marble... Size is only relative.

Also I think why Mckenna put is whole life into this is he found real evidence. He got information from the mushroom, that he couldn't have concieved on his own, and he put it to use, and it worked... His whole timewavezero thing is explanation of this... Him and the Mayans were on the same page with out even knowing... again you can believe the lines on that thing match up with events in history is a coincidence... but ya never know... I don't very much believe in conicendences.

 

there ARE other explanations though. (bio)chemical and neurological ones that explain it pretty thoroughly.

i'm not completely ruling out alternative possibilities

 

See I get the chemical effects for some of what happens on psychedelics, but some of it seems far to extraordinary to be just the result of some neurons firing in the brian.

If it was just the result of chemicals in the brain, I feel like it would be a lot of mush. But its not a lot of mush, there is an intelligent design to it. You can feel it intuitively like a grand phenomona is taking place.

I know our brains are very complex, but they have to be extremely extremely extremely complex to orchestrate the kind of magnitude of a psychedelic trip. The way the timing is, they way everything correlates to eachother, they way each moment as an eternity of significance. And again this alien information, this genius information from passed lives, thoughts from Leonardo De Vinci, Socrates, archetypal 3D visions of gods. Theories of life on the evolution of life that are more profound then what you find at harvard. Where in the heavens did all this stuff come from?!!

Like Writer said in earlier post, and I have even said in trip reports long ago, it feels like every moment in your life has lead up to this moment, where you take this psychedelic, and have this experience, and realize this realization..

When you really get a kiss from the divine, you will know its authenticity, she kisses your soul.