Bruce Jenner Has A Decidedly Feminine Side...

Discussion in 'Transexual and Transgender' started by QueerPoet, Jan 29, 2015.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADiq-EYObkM
    married with children..
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  2. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    I think I should pop on my mod hat for a moment:
    This is the transgender forum.
    As such, sensitivity and a sense of openness should be used here.

    We have no right to say if someone is trans. Only they know their journey. Making fun of a Transperson merely because of earlier success, like being an Olympian, is cruel.

    Mod hat tossed back on the shelf.


    Now,
    Pacific Dude, thanks for the movie list. I've seen the first two. And The Brandon Teena Story, a documentary of the story behind BDC. Which still haunts me.
    There are states that cover SRS in their Medicare insurance.
    California for one.
    You might be able to get more support than you think.

    And asexual defines your sexual behaviour, not your gender identity. And SRS as isn't a marker at all. It's an option for living as the gender you know yourself to be.
     
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  3. PaullyNormous

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    Sadly, this is all too true.
     

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  4. Pieceofmyheart

    Pieceofmyheart Grumpy old bitch HipForums Supporter

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    His Ex has no comment and his children need to be left alone.
     
  5. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Unless of course we are discussing his political opinions [​IMG]
     
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  6. Karen_J

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    This is giving me a headache. I'm about to decide that I don't know anything at all about sex or gender.

    All I know is that unisex bathrooms seem to be the wave of the future, and they're always nasty and disgusting. I'm going to miss clean women's public rest rooms when they're gone.
     
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    Im going to make a t-shirt that says "I was a TG before it was cool"..
     
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    Hmm, sometimes a shirt popping up in your image searches seems like it can't be coincidence (I would buy this for a certain someone on here :D not in the transgender subforum though):

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  9. drumminmama

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    I was astounded that the inlaw, know for putting his foot in it, was a) cool about it, and b) convinced his wife to roll with it for Jenner's sake.
    A reminder that all people have the capability for good.
    Or, "once in a while you get shown the light/in the strangest of places/ if you look at it right."

    Politics are no more gender than the type of car you drive.
    I do have to admit, I was surprised. I'm guessing it's the economic side, or a perception of patriotism in that sector. Jenner did represent the USA against the USSR. It was a big deal. Like the miracle on ice. Well, that miracle is that people cared about hockey. (Disclaimer, I enjoy the odd hockey game. I occasionally know what team holds the Stanley Cup. But not often.)


    The simplistic line is this: genitals and brain together equal gender for most people. Some folks have a brain that processes in opposition to what's dangling or not under the belt.

    Gender is who you are.
    Sexuality is who you do.

    And the men's room at my job is always the clean one. It's more about numbers.
     
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  10. Pieceofmyheart

    Pieceofmyheart Grumpy old bitch HipForums Supporter

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    There is much nastiest in women's bathrooms, are ya kidding me?
     
  11. Karen_J

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    Yeah, but the terminology keeps changing. Like, I don't even know what the Q is for in LGBTQ. I know it means queer, but I don't know why it isn't covered by the basic LGBT concept. Almost overnight, some people started acting offended if anybody left the Q out. Seems like only yesterday, "queer" was like the "N" word, something that respectful people weren't supposed to say anymore. In high school, it was about the same as "fagot"; very insulting.

    I'm sort of with the comedians who joke about next year's LGBTQWERTYASDFJKL conference. How many letters do we need to express "mind your own business"? I do whatever I want to do with my personal life, and people can call it whatever they want to call it, but I'd prefer that they say nothing about it at all. I'm just Karen.

    Dealing with public restrooms, my husband is always describing the men's room like somebody has been keeping farm animals in there. I don't see that, except in unisex bathrooms. Last time I saw an Amtrak unisex stall, I decided I'd rather suffer until I got to the hotel.
     
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  12. drumminmama

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    Well, we clean the bathrooms in my place of business.... And the female to male client ratio is probably 60:40. More therapists are female, front desk staff is female, management female.

    So, numbers.

    And Karen, descriptors are fluid. Just keep up.
    I got a crash course.
     
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  13. walkoflife

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    I'll toss in my three shiny pennies here...

    It's fair to say that, societally speaking, who you are and what you do (or who) in your spare time isn't a taboo subject as it was back, say, 15 years ago (yeah, pretty recent). That said, Jenner's hour with Diane Sawyer was pretty much what we all expected - him explaining away the tabloids. He struggles like you and I. He breathes oxygen, takes hormone therapy and even has the heart of a woman - much like people in this forum.

    IMHO, the guy deserves (at the very least) respect for going on television and, much like Michael Sam, separating athleticism with one's journey to find one's self.
     
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  14. Karen_J

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    Bathrooms in my office building are spotless.

    Wish me luck. I'll need it.

    I’m not convinced that Bruce Jenner’s interview was particularly helpful to those who are trying to get a better understanding of the situation for people like him (or her). I’m a few years younger than Dianne Sawyer, but I shared her frustration when she asked Bruce if he was a lesbian or he was going to be one, and he said no, without any further explanation. He had already said very clearly that he considers himself to be female, and that his/her sexual preference is still for females. According to my newest dictionary, a female who sexually prefers females is a lesbian. Is there another definition now?

    I’m not sure at this point that the TV interview was of any value at all. As individuals, most of us relate to our personal friends as individuals, regardless of whatever labels society might apply to them. As an employer, I know I’m not legally allowed to give any consideration to any labels of this kind, and I’d be stupid to do so. I always make more money when I hire the most qualified candidate for any job, no matter what they do with their personal time. If somebody wants to go home at night and fuck a doorknob or a mountain goat, I don’t care, as long as they do quality work in the office. They can dress up as Yoda from Star Wars, for all I care. I really don’t want to know. It would just make my life more complicated.
     
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  15. drumminmama

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    Ah the downplay bit.
    It's either "can't be bothered to get a partner" or the hormones could be doing some number that she isn't dealing with yet.

    I was answering "yes" aloud at that point.

    I think opening up so publicly, even though likely with a fair number of ground rules, is good for a general understanding of what's going on, since it is public arena.
    For folks who didn't know that gay doesn't equal Trans, and cross dressing is different yet, this is the beginning of an education.
     
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  16. walkoflife

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    A female who prefers the intimacy of other females is said to be a female who prefers the intimacy of other females. We, as humans, tend to assuage, denigrate then wrap this idea into a small box and slap the 'lesbian' sticker on it for mass production. It's easy for us, yet difficult for our upcoming generations to sift through and find some semblance of normalcy through.
     
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  17. QueerPoet

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    ^^This

    First off, I think Diane Sawyer should have done a bit more research before the interview. She came across as totally clueless (more than once), and that is not professional (IMO). Bruce Jenner handled the inept interview with intelligence and grace. He was protecting himself and his family from further ridicule and abuse. I don't fault him for that.

    Some might ask why did he agree to do the interview in the first place? I think it was because of all the lies and garbage that he's been subjected to since he first began his transition. Since so many folks were already talking shit about him he figured the best response was to tell the truth. And it worked.

    The outcome of the interview has been more positive than negative. Hell, I even learned a thing or two, so I think he made the right decision. More and more people are trying to understand what it means to be trans (myself included). And the best (most honest) way to discover the truth about a controversial issue is to go right to the source. Bruce Jenner gave us that. And I am grateful for his bravery :)
     
  18. Pieceofmyheart

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    Actually he told Diane sawyer he just considers himself asexual at this point, as he is 65. He also mentioned this transition wasn't about sex, it was about gender. Why do people have to get so hung up on the "who do you want to have sex with thing"? Sometimes at certain points in one's life, having sex is not a priority.

    I learned from the interview.
     
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  19. walkoflife

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    I definitely agree. I would have dispatched Anderson Cooper for an interview of this caliber. At least he can make clueless look cool.

    Searching the internet, I see many second-rate media outlets have decimated the interview how they found convenient. Which really makes people who aren't privy to the transgender world even more confused.

    I'm not one to care if you have an inny or an outy, or if you swap your hardware for something else...what's in your heart can move mountains, and Mr. Jenner is a prime example of what humanity should do - share, discuss, process.
     
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  20. Karen_J

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    Who is better than a mainstream straight person to ask mainstream questions? Bruce didn't want to speak only to the LGBT community.

    Local community theater guys around here often act as if they wish the straight world would just go away, and that kind of narcissism isn't going to get you the kind of mainstream acceptance that you want and need. That requires you to answer all the stupid questions until people know the answers.

    The average straight person is never going to know all the latest acronyms and buzz words and trendy spins on common terms, because they aren't going to spend any time sitting around in trendy LGBT bars for young, single people and have in-depth conversations about it. We have other stuff going on. I dare say even some older homosexuals and bisexuals have allowed themselves to get somewhat out of the loop.

    This is not to say that you will always be at odds with the straight world. Tolerance, acceptance, and communication work both ways.

    It was an obvious question. Journalists are supposed to ask those.
     
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