Brokeback Mountain Merged

ok it feels like we have both listened to each other and this issue is now resolved
peace and blessings
S

 

I´ve rewritten what I said just in order to make the thread understandable for the rest of the viewers.

 

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Samhain, I agree that I never believed that the two were in love. I think there were places where they dropped the ball on that one. "If this thing gets ahold of us at the wrong time" sounded so paternal, it should have been desperate and pleading. Two straight men playing the part, to them it was like friendship with benefits.

I was enthralled by the beginning. The middle and end dragged for me. And I believed the wives performances completely. The scene on the phone with Enis and Jacks wife should have gotten an award. It was chilling.

I didn't mind the accents, but I was worried about the mumbling. I'm not that far from wyoming and I know people who talk just like that, and act like the taciturn cowboy even without being sexually repressed.

The ending fits the story, even if it's an ending that has been used before, this story couldn't end another way.

p.s. you folks are beautiful.

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Ok, but you still have not apologized, thing which I did.

 

He is wishing you peace and blessings, I think that is better than an apology. Fuck, I would love more peace..... and more blessings!

 

peace and blessings to you too, my good friend, mind you you haven't seen the pics yet!!
S

 

exactly what I thought, I must admire your name BTW!
S

 

Right then why Brokeback mt is cack:

1)The film consisted approx. 75% of "majestic panoramic views" of lush green landscapes, if i wanted this i would watch a documentary on geology.
2)Rather than bother themselves with writing a full script the filled a large portion of the film with pointless guitar music, and wistful gazing into aforementioned landscape.
3)When Heath bathed he stripped naked yet insisted on wearing his cowboy hat, was he worried that The Village People would try to nick it if he left it lying around.
4)For some reason Heath Ledger appears to have inject a paralysing venom into his face and then stuck an orange wedge beneath his top lip.
5)You did not see love growing, from what I saw their trist was bourne out of frustration, three months on a mountain with either livestock or another man, I'm glad he chose within his species.
6)When Heath was getting it on with his wife, IF YOUR HUSBAND ONLY WANTS TO TAKE YOU FROM BEHIND MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE A HINT!!
7)The cunning plan of how the wife discovered he was gay: A note in his fishing tackle box, which he never opened!! Now I consider myself pretty horny, but even I couldn't shag a bloke non stop for a week, I'd dry up after a day or two. So they must have fished, if only to get a meal for themselves.

These are the first to come to mind.

 

1) I´m astonished you asserted that the film consists 75% of "majestic panoramic views". This panoramics only appears a few times on the film when they are in Brokeback. When I saw the movie I was surprised of the scarcity of them, just in strictly necessary moments. This is something that even has been praised by the critics.

2) The muscic guitar you mention only last about 15 mins. And I found it deep and emotive. The country songs never appear out of the ambience and never play completely.

3) He´s a cowboy: they only take off their hat when it is strictly necessary. If he din´t go to wash his head there was not reason for it. You are quite fussy...

4) Heath Ledger´s character is a very tough and introverted guy, brought up in very hard conditions and who had suffer a tremendous lack of affection and communication. His interpretation, very convincing, has won many awards( Central Ohio Film Critics Award, New York Film Critics Circle Award , Phoenix Film Critics Society Award, San Francisco Film Critics Circle Award) and was nomitated for Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role
in the Oscars.

5) I think it is no difficult to realize how their fondness progress throughout the summer till the first night together in the tent, especially in Jack eyes.

 

and did you notice that the other guy at this point didn't even try and peek, if your sexually interested in another guy, you would try and sneak a look

hear hear I quite agree, I wasn't expecting flat out porn, but Ive seen more sexual chemistry watching my fruit bowl
S

 

And if BBM is so bad why is it that it has won so many awards worlwide, has been so praised by the critics and has visibly moved so many people after watching it?. Isn´t it weird?...

 

I'd say for three separate reasons:
1)For straight people it's a shock, something new and therefore intriguing to them, but to me two men knocking boots is pretty damn mundane, seen it been there.
2)I would also imagine that in this age of political correctness, your average straight person doesn't want to be seen as homophobic, so they'd probably suppress any criticism for fear of offending.
3)And where gays are concerned the majority are just happy that a mainstream film is addressing this issue, and so view it through rose-tinted glasses.
Personally I'm not into romance, but I'd stongly recommend: Beautiful Thing and My beautiful laudrette, as you actually feel the chemistry and tension between the two leads.

 

well not any more werid than me really liking something that most people including critics can't stand.
I love movies and tv series, but i don't mind it if people say to me, of something I love, that they think its shit.
its personnal preference, some people will love it others will hate it, the only time I get annoyed is when people tell me somethings a pile of crap, when they haven't actually watched it.
I started this thread to see if i was alone in thnking it wasn't very good and A) I'm clearly not and B) the positives people have been saying on this thread still don't convince me otherwise.
I'm sure there are things in your life that you woud never do, even though the majority of people may feel otherwise and it all about freedom of choice and freedom of speech, being able to say 'actually I don't think its all that'
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1) It's true, for straight people is a shock, but it is shock for me too and I'm a gay man..., but this fact has nothing to do with the quality of the movie. That shock may have attracted the people to the movie but it does not determine their judgment on it.

2) Many straight homophobic people haven't had any problem in expressing their views against the homosexual issue of the movie, with no fear of offending, even with the aim of offending, in fact most of the criticisms has come over there.
And many of the average non-homophobics straights persons, critics and audience, whom could have liked it or not and have expressed it or not, have praised it.

3) It's true, I´m happy of that, but it does not have nothing to do with the fact that I liked it or not and with my appraisal of it's quality.

BBM is not about "the chemistry and tension between the two leads", wich I think is visible in many scenes, although I would have like more, but about the way they can't live according to their feelings due to the social hostility and vilolence and the amount of pain that this cause to them and all people around.


BBM is a movie that, as I heared in a Tv report, peolple liked it much or didn't like nothing. It surprised me a lot. Why was that?...was it for the issue, for the quality?... I think it depends on the ability of the peolple to get into it, to understand it. But does it depend on the inteligence and sensibility of the people or on their particular taste?. I think it might depend the first. And I find it sad the inability of many people to separate between taste and quality. A work of art you may like it or not but it doesn't have much to do with it quality.

I think BBM's content is superb, better than the form: a little bit slow, contained and cold, and with some extra-footage, but quite good too.

 

Depends. Would you be willing to say that The Passion of the Christ doesn't suck on the grounds that people like it as well? Speed won critical acclaim, but it's still a straight-faced version of the (superior) 1976 disaster spoof The Big Bus. The cinema-going public are mostly retarded and will watch anything, and your average critic is the same but with a grossly inflated ego and a healthy regard for free promotional stuff.

I still haven't seen BBM, (films which provoke public controversy almost always annoy me by not actually being very good, Farenheit 911 being one of the worst offenders) but it bothers me how much of a bone of contention it's become. I just heard about that Gene Shallit thing, and while I'm sure he's a dreadful ****, the way that dark mass known as the gay community are reacting to its critics seems like a great way to undo any good the movie has done in the name of encouraging acceptance of homosexuals as something other than stereotypes.

 

It has everything to do with quality, unless you're talking about the grade of film, production values or whatever. Quality is entirely subjective and the main criteria most people will state as to why they do or don't like a movie. Many have downplayed the gay angle in Brokeback by selling it as a romance movie. A lot of people don't like romance movies. Those people are unlikely to like Brokeback. This does not mean they are likely to burn crosses on your lawn.

Please do not try to suggest than everyone who didn't like the movie was stupid or ignorant. It wouldn't wash with any other film, I don't see why it should here.

 

Haven't you seen BBM?. Are you serious or are you having me on?. If it is true, how dare you to think and dispute about the movie without seeing it?. I can't believe it!!!.

About The Passion of the Christ I haven't understood the question, I apologize, but my english is no very good and the dictionary doesn't help me to understand it.

About Gene Shallit I think he went too far when he referred to Jake
Gyllenhaal's character, Jack, as a "sexual predator" who "tracks Ennis down and coaxes him into sporadic trysts." It is obviously a topic for discussion. But I think GLAAD has gone too far as welll.

I distinguish between quality and taste in works of art because there are many of them which I thing to be quite good, 'cause have been widely praised, but that I don't like. For example, in movies, The lord of the rings, Chicago, Gladiator, Star Wars, Pulp fiction, Clockwork orange, Crash...Although you may be right and I shouln't consider them as good movies either...

 

I dare because last I checked the dispute was about the controversy surrounding the movie and the debate it threw up, not the content of the movie itself. Can you believe it now?

 

If you believe the controversy surrounding the movie and the debate it threw up has nothing to do with it content then with what has it to do?... You may mean that it has to do with the subjective opinion of every person, ok, but if people have different views on the movie the may argue, there is nothing bad on it, while they don't become insulting and violent...
I posted the first time in this thread because there were to guys insulting BBM instead of express their point of views on it and the reasons they didn't like.
Or you may be suggesting that as everything is subjective there is no need of arguing and we all should better shut up...well, I don't think so.

 

I thought it was an excellent movie. It was also set at a time and place that is very different from here and now. I didn't think it was boring or stupid. Add to the fact that the characters were not highly educated and didn't have lofty aspirations.