Britain is becoming a nation afraid of its young people

The simple answer is to ban water :d

 

And kill all young people, so we need no longer be afraid..!

 

first the UK is not backwards ... if anything the outlook on life and what is allowed and isn't is more backwards in the US.

And second, it's not the criminals I worry about getting shot, it's those of us who AREN'T criminals.

Lith ... in Texas (now it isn't like this in other states) where Texans are allowed to carry concealed weapons by law (as long as they have a permit), if they see someone breaking into their or someone else's house, they have a right to shoot that person if necessary, and the law will back them up.

And yes, America doesn't hold peoples life in as high a regard (which is probably why the majority of Americans can't afford health insurance/health care - which is where I was before I left there). America is very conservative about tons of issues that here in the UK and in Europe in general people are a lot more open-minded about. There would be hell to pay if someone said "fuck" on even cable tv (not pay movie channels) much less the 5 basic channels ... however, if someone is found to be completely innocent of a crime AFTER they have been killed on death row ... well, that's not that big of deal. Trust me ... it's backwards.

WTF? So first you are equating being stabbed with an animal innocently taking the life of someone. Then, you are saying that shooting someone which is something that usually happens from a distance ... unless you have said burglar in the execution pose ... is justified in comparision to having someone come up close & within a few feet of you in order to do you any harm .. unless of course they decide to throw the knife at you.

Cops in AMERICA have done that. Which is also brought upon by the gun-crazed culture of the good ol' USofA. Over here if old bill shoot someone it is severely investigated and written up all over the tv/newspapers, etc. I think in the time I've been here (slightly over a year) there has been maybe 2 times the cops have shot someone that might not have deserved it. Cause see, over here you have to be a special unit to carry a gun. So, the cops arent all gun-toting, power-obsessed madmen like a good lot of the cops in the States are.

Thank you for that sane opinion, phoenix. I'm also VERY grateful that the attitudes are different here. Hopefully the British will keep their wits about them and not go gun wielding crazy.

 

If i recall your british cop shot a unarmed man by a subway station not long ago.

 

Well, as President Nixon used to say: "let me say this about that".

Sometimes people that try to protect their homes in the US can be overly trigger happy, that's true. However, the average burglar that breaks into a home in the US today is armed, on drugs, and is ready to hurt you and your family. "Home invasions" have become more and more common in the US, which involve criminals kicking people's doors down in the middle of the night with the primary purpose of simply hurting and killing people. Obtaining money or property seems to be a secondary thing. If the people that live in those houses don't shoot back pretty quick, those folks are going to barbecue your dog, rape your wife, and kill your kids. It's not going to be a pretty sight.

I'm not in favor of a lot of aspects of American culture, and I'm certainly not in favor of the death penalty. It's definitely true that human life is not held in nearly high enough regard to suit me, for the reasons that a few posters mentioned. However, the simple right to defend your home against criminals that are becoming more vicious all the time is one that I'm not going to advocate giving up.

And let's be realistic about the shortcomings of the UK, too. Cops in the UK haven't been used to carrying guns until recently. The average cop on the beat still doesn't carry them. The ones that do, usually police in certain special squads, are not real highly trained in the use of them and have a history of making the wrong decisions. Brits have a history of priding themselves on the fact that their cops don't need to carry guns and that people respect the law enough to not have the need for every cop to have a gun on his hip. Those days are over. Unarmed cops in Britain are increasingly being attacked by criminals armed with guns and knives and are eventually going to have to face the fact that they're going to have to start carrying guns, whether they like it or not.

 

No they're not.

 

Britain was found in a survey to have the most violent, yobbish subhuman youth in all of europe.

Shame really but when it comes to the UK. We are riot land. Must be an Anglo Saxon gene.

 

Oh well, if a survey said that then it must be true!

 

its not just the adluts that are afriad of the youth the youth is afriad of the youth.there is a park in the center of my small hippyish town (stroud). we used to go there some weekends and socailise and have a nice relaxed smoke and a drink,but now i wouldnt go near it because of the "chavs" and 20-25 year olds out on a bindge.there is a very real risk of at least being started on for anything they may even make up a reason just to beat you up.and the thing is the group is about 30 strong so you cant fight back even if you tried,if one of them starts its not just him its ALL of them. I know they are cowards but there is no point in trying to be reasonable with them. well im gonna get off my soapbox now!

 

Aye, twas just reading about this on the BBC.

 

So in other words, everyone's frightened of everyone.

Except me, it seems. The media's doing its job well, tsk..

 

i've been told by some english youths that i should be fearful of going to england... maybe there is something to these concerns about the british youths

 

Serious breakdown in moral responsibility, the further rise of the selfish mentality.

 

I was called "you little fagbutt" by a fully kitted up 12 year old trainee chav the other day ... hadn't heard that before and thought it was rather creative. He didn't seem too impressed when he spotted me smiling indulgently at him and chucking to myself. He was trying his best. Aw, bless.

 

"fully kitted up 12 year old trainee chav"

lol ... nice description there.

we've got a few of those around here too. it really is a shame, cause i know there are loads of young kids that are actually nice and not just looking to start something with the next person that looks at them. but unfortunately, so many kids get painted with the same 'chav looking' brush. hell, the way my husband used to look when he was 17ish he would have probably looked like a chav; but he's always been far from it. glad he left behind his nike swish for the goth look, and after loads of influence from me has nice red/black dreadies.

we tease all the time about Sport World being "gangland clothing U.K."

 

Where exactly does chav culture come from? It definitely is a look with a whole uniform and attitude to go with it. But where did it come from? I see no positive role models of people who are "cool" and who look like that. The other looks that teenagers go for - goth, skater, hippy etc - are all based on people in our culture who look cool. Where did the chav uniform come from?

As far as I can tell people who don it either a) are chavs or b) are taking the piss out of chavs. Where are the role models, where are the cool people?

 

we're all sitting here in our living rooms typing on computers

 

when i was a child in the seventies i remember reading a small piece in the newspaper
as i remember right it, concerned the local park
turned out that an old man had been found with his hands superglued to the railings, his nostrils superglued together and his mouth superglued tight.
of course the old man too weak to defend himself had suffocated to death.

this story has stuck in my mind about the barbarity of british society in general. it was thatcher's guidance that finally oversaw the destruction of britain as a nation - despite her lionisation in the british press about how much she has done for the country. the destruction of the education system, rampant poverty and desperation were the only true intentions of such a government - followed up by the labour government that modelled itself so slavishly on the feudal sentiments of the new aristocrats of the conservative right wing. under thatchers watch british industry was turned into a ghost of its former self , rather than reinventing the industrial revolution it was found to be much cheaper to destroy the labour force and import technology.

as for the "chavs" (looked up on the net), they have always been there under the guidance and nuture of the government - they are a creation of the government, arrogant, thuggish and stupid, they are in many ways the child of domestic policy. the best option for the thinking brit would be to move away from the destructive force of governmental policy.