Brexit

What would a Croatian exit vote he called?

Croak-it.....Croquet

 

The Dutch one would be called Ducks-it

 

I think a second referendum sounds hilarious at first and wouldn't think such an idea would have any merit, but if it would actually happen and the majority would vote in that would not just be hilarious but also seriously awesome :-D
Highly hypothetical? I would have thought so too, but since there's seem to be a lot of regret and some english are seriously striving for it and already got 2 million signatures....

 

I signed the petition, but I think it just isn't going to happen. The next referendum here will be when the Scots vote to leave the UK.

The damage is done, and it's going to be a bit like humpty dumpty I think.

 

It seems a bit silly to have 2 referendums (referenda?) about the exact same issue in a row. But hey, if a part of the people feel seriously misled and want to revote AND (most importantly) they could gather enough support can a call then for another referendum like that be put aside?

 

Wales was once one of the industrial powerhouses of the British Empire. Huge coal mining industry along with other heavy industries like steel. All that went in the Thatcher era, and now the place is very run down with high unemployment and social deprivation. They have their own regional assembly, but it doesn't have much real power.
Many towns in the old industrial region of South Wales were getting big EU grants - yet still they voted out. Probably a high proportion of the out voters didn't even understand how European money has been propping up their communities all these years.

On the question of ex Empire country immigrants - I don't know all the details but I'll look into it and try to get back to you. But one one instance would be descendants of those who served in the British Imperial armies in India (portion of which is now Pakistan). In WW I huge numbers were brought into the fight on the western front and used as cannon fodder, suffering huge numbers of casualties. Promises were made that their families would hold British passports pretty much in perpetuity.
Many West Indian people were encouraged to come here after WW II to make up the labour shortage that existed at that time of reconstruction. Let's not forget that the ancestors of these people suffered enslavement under conditions reckoned to have been even worse than the conditions for slaves in America.

Thing is that Muslims immigrants (many generations now born here) now constitute about 5% of the UK population. One in 20 Brits is a Muslim. Since the birth rate among whites is declining, whilst more traditional Muslim families tend to have large numbers of offspring, it's only a matter of time before the entire demographics of the old Britain that carved out an Empire and fought 2 world wars will be dramatically changed forever.

Britain or rather England, will rely on immigration in the future to make the demographics work. As the baby boomers retire, there will be an increasingly large non-productive population, and not enough people in work to pay the taxes to support them and the rest of the infrastructure. Although I don't particularly dislike many of the Muslims here, to me it would make sense to have European immigrants who share a similar culture to balance things out. But the brexit people have admitted they'll still be coming anyway.

In the end the referendum was only called because of divisions within the conservative party, and the fact that at the last election they felt threatened by UKIP. Cameron has proven himself to be a weak and incompetent leader, and will go down as the man who finally wrecked Britain. You have Trump, we have a number of Chumps.

 

Any petition on the You gov website (official govt website) that gets more then 100,000 signatures has to be considered for a debate in parliament. But even with 2.5 mill signatures, it won't mean they have to act on it.
My guess is they'll debate it perhaps, but reject a second vote.

 

It's not as simple as merely looking for immigrant workers with a 'similar' cultural background. Look at how the polish are regarded. If a majority of a country treats its immigrants like second hand citizens for long enough (usually takes like one or two generations) that will become another english minority who cares mainly about themselves and not about your country, culture, or great intentions. And nobody can't blame them.
It's the same with immigrants from outside of Europe. If we (it counts for dutch people and how they have delt with immigrant workers in the past as well!) do not mind if they integrate in our societies or not, and on top of that give them no fair chance in our society it will only be logical they and esp. their offspring just live here but don't give a flying fuck. It's like the poor losers from an unfortunate neighbourhood: they get less chances on improving their situation, they get seen and stigmatized (seemingly for good reasons) as lazy and unwilling and unadapted and in return they will learn to live with the attitude projected on them. Now, I'm putting this in a rather simplified way, there's more to it naturally. But I don't think european immigrants are the solution by default. It is also how the people in countries like England and Netherlands etc. deal with them.
Btw: I'm talking here about the legal immigrants.

 

I get what your saying and I agree. It's not good to have immigrants, be they Polish, Pakistani or from wherever if no attempt is made to integrate them into the host country. The UK has failed dramatically to do that, and people's fear of immigrants has been stoked up by the gutter press and right wing politicians for years.

On a wider level, I think a society can only operate smoothly if there is a general consensus about the direction of travel. I don't think the UK has had that since the 50's or 60's at the latest.

But it's clearly not only the immigrants who feel left out of society here - the vote showed that, and the aftermath is likely to cause even more division.

It's a complicated situation, and difficult to encapsulate in a few words, but if we say that many out voters wanted to protest, it's because the channels that once existed for ordinary people to express their dissatisfaction have been done to death over the last few decades. The press here is solidly right wing for example. Partly thanks to them, and partly thanks to Blair and New Labour, the political landscape is dominated by the right. Unions have long been emasculated. The plain fact is that many don't know anything about the EU other than from negative propaganda in the press. The so called education system is now so dumbed down that many emerge into adult life with little or no ability to think critically or to think for themselves. Politicians behave like irresponsible school kids and are 100% self serving. I could go on and on but that's probably enough. Under such circumstances the fact that people blame the EU for their troubles is no surprise. The right wing always need a scapegoat.

 

Blaming everyone and everything for personal failures seems to be a thing these days.
I posted this in the Random Thoughts Thread, but Imma leave it here too.






They're taking our jobs!! Meanwhile, I'll have three kids with three different babydaddies, get me a council house, and blame everything on the immigrants.


I am generalizing, of course.

But yeah, a scapegoat is always a useful thing to have.

 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/brexit-threatens-to-undo-uks-calais-border-deal/

 

Lol

Meanwhile the rubber boats are still leaving the french shores.

 

For Where ?

 

Tic, Toc, Tic...

 

I don't think it's an age thing, I think it's more of an educated vs uneducated thing. It's like that here, in the states. The uneducated buy into the fear of immigrants, and the fear of change, espoused by trump?

As far as another vote, I have read that many who voted to leave, regret their vote.

 

Exactly, and these Are the same type of people who criticize entitlement programs, unless they're the ones getting the entitlements.

 

Rubber boats. From french shores. Where do you think they're heading for?

 

You Tell Me ! It was Your Claim not Mine

Why Would Anyone Want To come Her If The Country Is sinking Into The English Channel ?
Anyway What The Fuck Has This Got to Do with Brexit ? its only Been Two Days

 

Some People Might Find This Interesting !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gILTIDr4Ra8&feature=youtu.be

 

I hope they have a do-over.