Brexit

That's the trouble with referenda and just voting en mass in general, everyone votes for different reasons.

Like the Scottish Independence Referendum. Most people were voting on economic matters, old people were voting No because they were scared of losing their pensions... etc

For me it boiled down to the same issue as with the EU referendum, removing another layer of government.

Nice to see another tory MP has resigned over this today, and hopefully there will be more and then an early general election.

With two tory MPs gone this takes the tories narrow election win of 2015 to a narrow loss. The won by one seat, so now they should stand down. They should never have won in the first place. I expect May with rearrange all the constituencies in their favour before there's another election anyway though.

Fucking hate the scum, tory bastards.

 

Referenda can work just fine, it's the information that people need to make an informed decision that's the problem. Most people voted for Brexit because they were being bullshitted.

 

I think that if they have an election any time soon, the tories would win again and probably increase their majority. Mostly the middle classes don't trust or like Corbyn, and the tory press is doing it's best to assassinate him and all he stands for.
Perhaps I'm wrong - be good if I am, but I think we're headed for a one party state the way things are going at the moment.

If I were Scottish, I'd certainly be 100% for independence. Since I live in England, it would be unpleasant as that would definitely mean the tories forever south of the border.

 

The pro brexit people on here are adamant that they weren't bullshitted. Evidently they trust the Daily Mail, the Sun, Boris and Farage. Personally I agree with your analysis.

 

Evidently the whoole of Europe has been bullshitted into giving up national sovereignty in favour of unaccountable, overpaid, hegemonic rule. Britain has done the right thing.

We got the Brexiters accusing the Remain camp of bullshitting, and vice versa.

Anything that involves voting out a layer of centralised government will always get my vote.

 

You're only partly right. The right thing to do would be changing the EU not dissolving it. There are major anti-EU factions in many other member states.

If London wasn't a major financial hub how well do you think Britain would do outside of the EU?

What if 2 years from now England is outside of the EU while the sovereign nations of Scotland and Ireland are still member states?

 

Experience tells you can't fix broken political systems. We need a revolution.

How can we fix a political system where 28 unelected lords, only one of which represents your country dictate policy, and MEPs are unable to even raise a bill to change the way things work?

The only way to stop this bullshit is to vote out and encourage other member states to do the same until the whole fucking gravy train is dissolved!

Who cares about London's bankers. They can all fuck off and live in whatever off-shore tax haven islands they are using to avoid paying in to the system which bails them out every time they fuck up, for all I care, and take their designer fucking suits with them.

Yes, it's a total mess. But that's what happens when stupidity runs politics. All this talk about we must stay in the single market or our economy will be fucked is nonsense, other countries manage fine outside it, in fact they manage better than we do. The people are happier and their governments treat them with more dignity and respect.

Who ever said a country's "prosperity" needs to be based on imports and exports anyway? More than half the shit we import can be made here, in the UK. What's the point in wasting the planet's resources to ship produce all over the world when most of it can just be made where it is supposed to be going? It's ALL economic bullshit designed to confuse the masses into conforming.

 

At last Somebody Gets It !

 

Teresa's revolution!

 

Experience tells us that most revolutions have ended badly.

I understand your anger but it's just not going to work.

 

So have most elections.

Back your first statement there up with stats please.

Leaving the EU is far from starting a revolution. Nonetheless, that is exactly what we need in the UK. We need to all march down to Westminster and boot the fucking lot of them out on their arses. Evidently protest marches and twitter storms are not enough to get the message across. I decide how to run/ruin my life, not them.

 

Sure thing. Look at medium voter turnout and the corresponding demographics. Most people believe stuff they are told on TV. They also forget very quickly.

Ahhh, not really necessary.

Not gonna happen and you know it. Shit like that is just temporary.

And most people want to be governed anyways.

 

http://youtu.be/3YR4CseY9pk

 

Necessary if you want to back up your statement with evidence?

I'd say most revolutions weren't really expected. If they were the authorities would have planned better for them, and the succesful ones wouldn't have been so succesful. The authorities in the UK do have contingency plans for such developments, hence the snoopers charter etc. Of course they do, because it's a very real possibility, however remote perhaps.

The problem is most folk are too lame, or too settled in to their own lives to want to risk losing that. However, a million people relying on foodbanks, sick and disabled people dying in their homes due to benefits sanctions, Brexit, The fraudulent Scottish Independence referendum. Not so long ago we saw riots spreading across the entire country as the youth of Britain decided they'd had enough and let loose. I guess most of them were just in it for the GTA buzz though probably. We'll see riots again tonight in London as thousand of masked proestors descend on Westminster and Downing Street.

Haven't heard much about Paris lately but it was pretty much a running battle ground for several months at the start of the year.

We're too civilised for a real revolution to happen though...

I don't think most people want to be governed, it's just most people are too scared of the alternative, and that's precisely where the government wants most people.

 

Mostly people in the UK are quite comfortable by global standards. Things would have to go very bad indeed before any kind of majority would want to overthrow the system.

After the French revolution tens of thousands were guillotined, many of them completely innocent. Millions died under Stalin, Millions under Mao. Not statistics as such, but historical facts nonetheless.

But what we have in the UK isn't any kind of revolutionary fervour. Just irresponsible and self serving politicians stirring up petty nationalism, something that is rearing its ugly head in many countries. If anything, it serves to further entrench the power of the hated establishment rather than diminish it. You get rid of Cameron and get May. Progress?

 

And the aftermath is always the same. Trade one set of elites for a worse set, and then eventually settle down to the status quo ante. Back to the Future!

 

May Says It means out !
https://order-order.com/2017/01/17/may-speech-key-points/

 

Wicked. Time for Indy ref 2 in Scotland.

 

that won't happen !

 

Seems like the scots are stuck in the wrong union for now.