Brexit: the rotting corpse of a unicorn

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Jan 5, 2021.

  1. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator


    LOL the unicorn is really really dead (and rotting) but many leavers like in the film Weekend at Bernie’s have stuck sunglasses on it and are propping it up to pretend it is still alive.
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  2. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Leaver voters have you worked out yet how right wing politicians manipulate you into voting against your own interests?

    Remember the big bus that told you that if you voted to leave the EU they could/would spend a whole load of money on te NHS

    Those people are now in power and guess what they have just cut the amount of money going to the NHS and in real terms cut NHS staff’s wages as well (the same people they were so loudly clapping just months ago)

    I ask again - can you tell me any real benefit your Brexit vote has brought the UK?


    Could you say that this is a bit of a sick joke now
  3. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Leavers – can you tell us how Brexit has benefited the UK yet? Why are you so quiet?

    We waited and we see

    So some import-export information is coming and I’ve heard that some leaves are celebrating that EU imports into the UK have dropped although I’m not sure why many of those imports are of thing that the UK does not produce or grow so a scarcity of such produce will just make them more expensive. But the other thing is that UK exports have plummeted for example Italy - imports from that country into the UK are down 38% but UK exports to Italy are down by 70% (nearly twice as much) that is very, very bad news for the UK especially if that kind of drop is indicative of what is happening across the EU.

    I don’t think I need to remind leavers that countries make money by exporting it bring money into the country imports sees money leaving the country.

    What we have done is make it much harder to export while at the moment at least making it much easier for EU countries to import because at the moment we don’t do any checks on imported goods (we are literally just waving them through) this very much disadvantages UK exporters who are having to deal with all the extra red tape that leaving the EU single market has caused (wow imagine finding out the EU cut down on red tape)

    The problem is that just waving through imports is against WTO rules and if we don’t stop we are likely to end up in court so the plan was to end in the summer and bring in checks and such ONLY experts have warned that that is likely to cause shortages in the supermarkets and possible panic buying so the new plan is to carry on waving stuff through only as said that is against WTO rules (hey what next get back control by leaving the WTO)
  4. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    The thing about Nero supposedly fiddling while Rome burned was that it was a metaphor for his bad rule and his uncaring attitude to what happened to ‘common’ people. But there is something else Nero saw the destruction as an opportunity to build a fantasy palace.

    To me the Brexit establishment, those right wing politicians and media owners that pushed on Brexit are like Nero - they too are ‘fiddling while Rome burns’ they too are bad rulers with an uncaring attitude to what happens to ‘common’ people and they too see the destruction caused by Brexit as an opportunity to build a neoliberal fantasy Britain.

    And like Nero’s Domus Aurea (Golden House) that he tried to build over the burnt homes and charred remains of poor Romans I don’t think that neoliberal Britain will even arise from the ruined lives and devastated economy that Brexit will cause.

    I think ‘Britain unchained’ will go the way of Nero’s palace which was considered such an embarrassment by Nero's successors that they quickly build over it.
  5. Mallyboppa

    Mallyboppa Nails Mc Fugger

    Haha Still Chirping on about This ?
    Nice song here for ya !
  6. Mallyboppa

    Mallyboppa Nails Mc Fugger

    And This Doesn't Mean I want To talk about your Obsession anymore just having a laugh (at your expense I suppose !) ;)
  7. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Mal my old friend posting and running again I see.

    But the song still doesn’t answer the question you and NO OTHER leaver has been able to answer –

    Can any Brexit supporter explain what we have won yet?

    I mean you can tell people to fuck off – but that doesn’t mean they are wrong and you are right - in fact if they have information, evidence and explanations and your only reply is ‘Fuck off’ then it’s likely you haven’t a clue what you are on about – rather than been funny it just comes across as sad and rather pathetic.

    It is also rather sad and pathetic to post and run away like you always do, I feel sorry for you I mean it must be rather hard to find out that all the remainers got it so right and you got it so wrong.

    Poor Mal poor, poor Mal
  8. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator


    Is it a bad thing to love your country and the people in it and wish the best for them?

    If there is a wrong that is hurting people is it bad to want to put things right so people don’t suffer?

    I mean you and the other leavers never really seemed to care about the country or its people or you would have listened to the warnings and become informed about the dangers of Brexit rather than just accepting the lies of those pushing Brexit without question.

    Look Mal I know it’s hard to realise you fell for a con but that is the only way we can right the wrongs that have been done and fix the damage caused by your unwillingness to become informed.

    Think about this –

    Why were you never able to address the criticism of Brexit?

    Why can’t you answer the simple question about the supposed benefits of Brexit?

    Why can’t you or any other Brexit supporter point to any real and tangible good from the process of Brexit?

    Why have none of the things promised by those who conned you into supporting Brexit become true?
  9. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Supporters Lifetime Supporter HipForums Supporter

    I wonder what the 'Little englanders' have to say about this ???

    At least 10 EU countries will not extradite criminals to UK because of Brexit
    France, Germany and Poland among countries who will not send their own nationals to Britain

    Lizzie Dearden
    Home Affairs Correspondent
    3 hours ago

    At least 10 EU countries will no longer extradite their nationals to face prosecution in the UK because of Brexit, the government has admitted.

    In correspondence with the House of Lords EU Committee, it said Croatia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Latvia, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia and Sweden will be “invoking constitutional rules as reason not to extradite their own nationals to the UK”.

    A letter from the Home Office said it amounted to “an absolute bar on the extradition of own nationals” to the UK.

    Additionally, Austria and the Czech Republic will only extradite their own nationals to Britain with their consent.

    It means that British authorities may have to attempt prosecutions in other countries, or circulate wanted criminals on an Interpol database in the hope they leave their home nation and can be caught elsewhere.

    European Arrest Warrant system, which allows a streamlined extradition process between EU states and has been used for high-profile terrorists, drug smugglers and murderers.

    Read more:

    As part of its post-Brexit security agreement, the UK has drawn up new extradition processes, but they do not have the same power to bypass constitutional barriers.

    EU states can also refuse to surrender suspected criminals if the alleged offence does not exist in their country, or it is a “political” crime.

    Richard Martin, the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) lead on Brexit planning, previously told the Home Affairs Committee that a new national extradition unit was formed in December.

    He said that where countries refuse to extradite suspects, police have two choices: “One is we work with the Crown Prosecution Service and decide whether it is in the public interest to try and prosecute these individuals in their home countries.

    “The second is we circulate them anyway on Interpol because as soon as they enter another country they’re fair game, so we can arrest them in that country and bring them back.”

    A report published by the Lords EU Committee on Friday said the new extradition arrangements were “untested” and that their “operational effectiveness” should be scrutinised.

    Dominic Raab Admits Security Tools At Risk After Brexit After Theresa May Raises Concerns
    Peers also raised concern over the capability of the EU to terminate security cooperation over data protection rules and human rights.

    Committee chair Lord Ricketts, a former national security adviser, said that although the agreement had avoided a feared “cliff-edge” for law enforcement, there were “still grounds for considerable caution”.

    “These are a complex and untested set of arrangements and their effectiveness will depend crucially on how they are implemented at the operational level,” he added.

    “The provisions on data protection are particularly fragile. If the UK does not remain in step with changes to EU data protection laws, or if the UK is found to have breached fundamental rights when handling personal data, then this could trigger the suspension, or even termination, of all the justice and security cooperation.”

    The report said that the EU will continue to monitor UK data protection rules, and hold it to “higher standards” as a country outside the EU.

    Peers warned that the situation increases the scope for legal challenges, which could trigger a suspension of the security agreement.

    The document states that it can be terminated by either the UK or EU with nine months’ notice, for reasons including derogation from the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).

    It is enshrined in British law through the Human Rights Act - but that is currently under review.

    The law enforcement part of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement allows the continued sharing of policing and criminal justice data, including on DNA, fingerprints, air passenger information and criminal records.

    But the UK lost access to the EU Schengen Information System (SIS II) database, which was previously integrated with the Police National Computer and searched more than 600 million times a year.

    The Lords EU Committee report called the change the “most significant gap in terms of lost capability”, adding: “It means that, for the time being, law enforcement officers can no longer immediately have access to real-time data about persons and objects of interest, including wanted and missing persons.

    “The fallback system, the Interpol I-24/7 database, currently provides data in a matter of hours, not seconds.”

    Peers said that its success “depends heavily” on EU states accepting the additional workload of ‘double-keying’ data into both the SIS II and Interpol systems.

    “We did not receive any clear evidence from the government on how it planned to secure such commitments from EU member states to do so,” the report said.

    “We therefore remain concerned about the effect of the loss of access to SIS II on the operational effectiveness of UK police and law enforcement agencies.”

    Kevin Foster, a Home Office minister, said the security agreement includes streamlined extradition arrangements.

    “We continue to work closely with domestic and EU partners to monitor the new arrangements and have excellent cooperation with EU member states on a wide range of law enforcement and criminal justice issues,” he added.

    “Some EU member states have long-held constitutional bars against the extradition of their own nationals to non-EU countries, which is why we negotiated a specific agreement which allows for offenders to face justice via another route, even where a country will not extradite their own national.”
  10. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Supporters Lifetime Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Useless Eustace !!!

    ‘Let him answer the question, Barry’: Parliamentary committee on fishing descends into Handforth-esque chaos
    ‘Where is Jackie Weaver when you need her?’ viewer asks

    Andy Gregory
    14 hours ago

    A Westminster committee has drawn comparisons with the now-infamous Handforth Parish Council Zoom meeting, after several terse outburst from MPs threatened to plunge a hearing on post-Brexit fish and meat exports into farce.

    While the first 49 or so minutes of Thursday’s hearing of the Commons Environment, Food and Rural Affairs select committee passed innocuously enough, trouble was evidently brewing in the digital corridors of power.

    It all came to a head as Labour’s Barry Gardiner pressed environment secretary George Eustice over the UK’s apparent blindness with regards to the amount of fish that EU boats are still catching in British waters, following a report in Fishing Daily reported that – after the near collapse of a Brexit deal over fishing quotas – not a single European vessel was inspected at sea in January or February.

    Mr Gardiner’s insistent questioning and somewhat measured delivery – apparently aided by extensive on-screen notes –appears to have pushed committee chair Neil Parish beyond the brink.

    Bursting forth with pent-up frustration, Mr Parish exclaimed: “Barry, for goodness’ sake, we are are hour into this.”

    Handforth parish council: The history of a feud
    “Your questions are too long, Barry,” Mr Parish continued to shout, eventually interrupting an indignant Mr Gardiner’s protestations to bellow: “Well let him answer the question, Barry.”

    Gesticulating heavily, Mr Parish, added: “For goodness’ sake please, it’s going on too long, your question. Get to the end of the question.”

    Yet a defiant Mr Gardiner sought to hammer home the importance of his questions, saying: “Three months on, we still have no realtime knowledge of what 1,500 EU boats are catching, do we? And that includes the super trawlers that…”

    But he was again interrupted – this time by Tory MP Sheryll Murray, who interjected to question “on a point of order” whether Mr Gardiner’s point was related to the EU, or was in fact a “fisheries management” issue.

    A distinctly glum-looking Mr Gardiner responded curtly to affirm that the monitoring of EU fishing catches was indeed an issue related to the EU.

    At this point, after arguably prompting the furore with his initial outburst, Mr Parish – who was later gifted the additional surname of “Council” by The Independent’s deputy political editor on Twitter – said: “Right, let’s not have an argument”, calling on Mr Eustice to “give an answer to Barry, please, and then we must move on”.

    A possibly relieved Mr Eustice prefaced his somewhat vague response with the phrase, “in the interest of time” – going on to insist that he had not laid eyes upon a press release by his own department stating that at-sea inspectors had boarded 41 EU vessels last month, which Mr Gardiner alleged was published “in the last hour ... no doubt because [Mr Eustice] correctly anticipated a question following the Fishing Daily report”.

    Seeking to move beyond the fracas, Mr Parish then even went to far as to side with Mr Gardiner in demanding that the secretary of state should provide the committee with a written explanation “of what’s happening, how we are going to board the boats, [and] how we are going to check the data” – following his department’s last-minute revelation that just 41 EU boats were inspected last month.

    But the committee chair could not resist rolling his eyes skywards as he granted Mr Gardiner “one last question, please”.

    The exchange – somewhat less staid than those typically observed during parliamentary committee hearings – drew hilarity on social media, after a clip was posted to Twitter by The Daily Telegraph’s Whitehall editor Harry Yorke.

    “This may be one of the funniest things I’ve ever watched at a Parliamentary select committee,” he wrote. “Barry Gardiner and Neil Parish go full Handforth Parish council over [fish]”.

    Other social media users wasted no time in drawing similar comparisons to the furious and eternally quotable parish council meeting that set the internet abuzz in February, encapsulating for many the awkwardness thrown up by the lags and pauses of current videoconferencing technology, not to mention shining a spotlight on the eccentric, combative – and all-too-often unseen – world of local democracy.

    “He has no authority here,” one Twitter user quipped, while another clearly felt the committee needed its very own acting clerk, writing: “Where is Jackie Weaver when you need her?”
  11. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Supporters Lifetime Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Yet another 'Brexit' defeat !!!

    Brexit: UK meat industry fears losing up to 50% of exports
    Industry chiefs urge government to forge standards deal with EU to ease ‘enormous’ trade friction

    Adam Forrest@adamtomforrest
    1 day ago

    Health certificates and other checks required on British meat exported to Northern Ireland
    The UK’s meat industry faces a permanent loss of up to half of all its exports because of ongoing problems with “mountains” of Brexit red tape, a leading trade body has warned.

    The British Meat Processors Association (BMPA) said “systemic weaknesses” in current trade arrangements meant a potential loss of trade for UK exporters of between 20 and 50 per cent.

    A new report by the BMPA found meat producers also face up to £120m a year in extra trading costs every year because of the deal forged by Boris Johnson’s government at the end of last year.

    The body has urged the government to seek a new agreement on food standards with Brussels to ease problems sending food to both EU, and from Great Britain into Northern Ireland.

    It wants Downing Street to forge a “common veterinary area” with the EU so standards could be made equivalent – removing many of the checks currently needed at the borders.

    “The export hurdles we face are now in plain sight and are not going away,” said chief executive Nick Allen. “We need government to urgently re-engage with both the industry and the EU to work out detailed and lasting solutions.”

    Last year’s UK-EU trade deal failed to include an agreement to avoid form-filling and physical inspections on plant and animal products.

    Peter Hardwick, the BMPA’s trade policy adviser, said the current level of “trade friction” experienced by British meat exporters was “enormous, absolutely enormous”.

    Speaking to MPs on the international trade committee on Thursday, he urged the government to consider a veterinary agreement with the EU to help “reduce that friction”.

    Mr Hardwick said it was taking “twice as long and costs us twice as much to get products to the EU as it did before the end of the transition period”.

    It comes as a new report by peers urged the government to consider an agreement with EU on common standards to reduce the “substantial barriers” for British traders.

    A report by the Lords EU goods sub-committee warned small firms are “feeling the squeeze” since the limited Brexit trade deal with Brussels came into force in January.

    The peers’ report cautioned that, without action, the physical checks currently in place on animal and plant products could become a “permanent barrier to trade” – with meat and live shellfish products particularly badly hit by the new inspection regime.
    Baroness Verma, the committee’s chairwoman, said: “The Brexit trade deal struck with the EU may have prevented the nightmare of a no-deal exit for the UK, but a lot of unfinished business remains between the two sides.”

    She added: “The government must take an ambitious approach to trade ties with the EU. Swift action and further funding is needed to minimise future disruption.”

    The peers’ report notes that Maros Sefcovic, the EU Commission’s vice-president, said last month that an agreement on common standards was still “on the table”.

    However, The Independent revealed last month that the prospect of fresh talks with Brussels had been dashed by the appointment of hardliner David Frost, the trade deal negotiator, as the new Brexit minister.
  12. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Have you noticed that not even the Pro Brexit media have been able to highlight any benefits to Brexit

    We have very loud Brexit supporters in the mainly pro-brexit media and not one of them seems able to find an upside or just one company that is thriving due to Brexit

    We have had lots of tales of woe, the extra forms that are needed because of Brexit, the inability to send or receive goods of others saying they are just about holding on and tales of companies moving wholly or partially into the EU, we have companies saying their profits are down and of others facing an existential threat, bad news followed by bad news.

    Where is the upside?

    I mean all that pro=Brexit media with all its resources and even it doesn’t seem able to find any upside.

    Hey leavers – have you worked out you go conned yet

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