Brexit anybody?

A British psychiatrist has warned of the mental health impact of political events after a man suffered acute psychotic illness triggered by Brexit.
The unidentified middle-aged man was brought to hospital by paramedics three weeks after the UK voted to leave the European Union in a referendum on June 23, 2016, according to a case report published in the medical journal BMJ.
He was confused, agitated and said that he could hear voices, wrote Dr. Mohammad Zia Ul Haq Katshu, the specialist who treated the man and a clinical associate professor at Nottingham University's Institute for Mental Health.
The patient was delusional and paranoid, thinking he was being spied on and people planned to kill him, the report said.

Man suffered acute psychotic illness triggered by Brexit vote - CNN

 

I was under the impression that the more liberal NHS program is better than the private insurance scenario we have in the U.S.

 

Very neatly describes Nigel Farridge and the rest of the Brexiteers inside the scumbag 'nasty party'. !!!

 

The Leavers have no rational arguments

As can be seen the leavers do not really have any coherent counter arguments to the criticisms of their stance.

I mean just repeating that 17 million people voted to leave does not address the fact that many voted for different - even opposing - types of Brexit and others voted because of the lies told to them about how easy a ‘better’ deal would be.

Other arguments make no sense or are confused like mixing up the EU civil servants with the civil servants of all members states or just plain silly I mean how is shouting ‘Heil! Mein Fuhrer’ any type of rational comeback. Then you have ‘scaremongering’ and promises of money for the NHS which are just repeats of the lies told in the Brexit referendum.

They have nothing and know they have nothing - that’s why they make a big thing about having something but just can’t actually produce it.

 

Let us say you were going to buy a second-hand car

You go to one person let’s call her Nisha Remainer who has the cars current MOT, the log book, can answer all your questions about the car, clearly and distinctly, lets you look at the engine and anything else and is happy to give you a test drive.

And then there is another seller called Johnny Leaver who has none of the paperwork is very vague about the cars history and refuses to answer many of your questions about it also he will not allow you to look under the bonnet or check for rust, and says he doesn’t have the keys right now so you can’t give you a test drive - but who keeps telling you very loudly that it’s a GREAT car, the BEST car, a WONDERFUL RUNNER’

Honestly which car would you most likely buy?

Well the problem we have in the UK is that a large section of the right wing Brexit supporting media are cheering on Johnny and reporting against Nisha, while other media, out of fear or duty, are treating Johnny’s offer with as much validity they do Nisha’s, in an act of false equivalence that unsurprisingly has many confused.

 

Soul

It is still better but it has been under sustained attack and the strain has begun to show.

Thing is that even right wing politicians who are known to favour privatisation praise the NHS in public while at the same time cutting its budget and opening it up for privatisation.

They have a trick of making big announcements of funding or support that are played big in the right wing media but which on examination turn out to not be so wonderful.

For example the below increase was announced to much fanfare and many got the impression that it was all coming at once and on top of regular funding.

Last year the government announced that an additional £20.5 billion in real terms will be made available for the NHS in England by 2023/24—though it’s unclear how much money will be spent on health overall.

At the time health experts said this money will “help stem further decline in the health service, but it’s simply not enough to address the fundamental challenges facing the NHS, or fund essential improvements to services that are flagging.”

The NHS is facing severe financial pressures, with trusts across the country spending more than they’re bringing in. The NHS was also asked several years ago to find £22 billion in savings by 2020, in order to keep up with rising demand and an ageing population.

Health experts from the Nuffield Trust, Health Foundation and King’s Fund say tight spending in recent years and increasing demand for services have been “taking a mounting toll on patient care”. They add that there is “growing evidence that access to some treatments is being rationed and that quality of care in some services is being diluted.”

The £20 billion of additional funding for the NHS in England will be spread out over the five years to 2023/24. When it was announced this meant an average increase on the NHS’s budget of around 3.4% a year, taking inflation into account. But inflation over the next few years is now set to be higher than expected, meaning the actual real terms increase will be less than that.

Spending on the NHS in England

 

Have leavers got anything?

Anyone actually looking at leaving the EU in any objective way can see it is a bad idea it seems to me that only those that refuse to look or are lying about their motives for giving it support could think differently and so far the posts form leavers hasn’t disabused me of that viewpoint.

Can any leaver explain in any rational and coherent way why they think the UK will be better off leaving the EU?

To repeat it has to be rational and coherent.

 

Practice what you preach Bulby, and try and be rational and coherent yourself.
Mission impossible methinks!

 

Boris's alternative deal - trashed by Parliament and trashed by the EU !!!

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/10/03/eu-official-says-johnsons-brexit-offer-cant-fly/

 

Booze just says whatever gibberish comes into his head, regardless of whether it makes sense. When someone DOES write a more in depth pro-leaver response, he shouts "spot on! I agree!" but somehow is never the person to actually say it first. No mind of his own whatsoever.

 

Drift

Some leavers seems to cheer on Brexit and parrot the slogans or mimic the same talking points but when pushed, even slightly, it often turns out they haven’t a clue about the subject or the issues involved or in some cases don’t even seem to have a connection to the real world.

And there are others who don’t want to speak too much because if they did it would soon become obvious that their support for Brexit is based on views that most people would find abhorrent

But beyond those are there any leavers that are well informed and still support leaving?

Leavers that can present coherent, reasoned arguments and address the criticisms of Brexit in a rational and honest manner, because I’m sorry to say that so far I haven’t meet one of those.

 

28 more sleeps

 

Another thing that I find rather disconcerting, even revolting, is that the very leavers that can’t defend their viewpoint and in no rational way explain why they think Brexit is a good idea, seem to feel childish glee at the prospect of the harm it will cause to the UK and many of its people.

 

I have learned one thing from all these multiple "Brexit " Threads !! Balbus must be a lousy car salesman if he still has that car he is trying to flog us !

 

Mal

LOL du durrh - sorry not my car – maybe if you read the posts you’d now that-

Let me repeat itfor you

Let us say you were going to buy a second-hand car

You go to one person let’s call her Nisha Remainer who has the cars current MOT, the log book, can answer all your questions about the car, clearly and distinctly, lets you look at the engine and anything else and is happy to give you a test drive.

And then there is another seller called Johnny Leaver who has none of the paperwork is very vague about the cars history and refuses to answer many of your questions about it also he will not allow you to look under the bonnet or check for rust, and says he doesn’t have the keys right now so you can’t give you a test drive - but who keeps telling you very loudly that it’s a GREAT car, the BEST car, a WONDERFUL RUNNER’

Honestly which car would you most likely buy?

Well the problem we have in the UK is that a large section of the right wing Brexit supporting media are cheering on Johnny and reporting against Nisha, while other media, out of fear or duty, are treating Johnny’s offer with as much validity they do Nisha’s, in an act of false equivalence that unsurprisingly has many confused.

 

As i say the leavers don't seem to have anything of substance to offer to the any of these discussions.

 

Boris's veracity held into question by the EU.

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/10/...to-doubts-over-seriousness-of-boris-johnsona/

 

Yeah, because another extension it will just be another stalemate for another 3 months. He knows labour wont call for am election, because they will get stuck with the blame.

 

Just as they didn't want to win the Pre-Austerity election?

 

Interesting you use the A word

Can we get a show of hands from Leavers and Remainers as to what they think that election result was actually all about?

Austerity or Brexit or Scottish Independance

The A word only popped up because of what was happening in the rest of Europe at the time; which then means if the assumption by a lot of voters was either major party was influenced by European austerity measures, then its not independant of Brexit anyway