I couln't care less that you have a grudge with what I've said. He IS that guy. He just thought he'd be able to persuade this lady to do the things he really wanted her to do. Yes, he IS an ass if he breaks it off now. Forces you can't control? If he really loves her....I mean truly, madly, deeply loves her, he could control them. I've seen it done. Fairly unreasonable? Why....because his dick gets hard? In this day and age I think it's RESPECTABLE for anyone to do that. At least he knows he's not with some girl that just has sex with everyone. She's in it for the long run and that's the big picture he should step back and look at. I think you're the type of male that ruins it for everyone else. You said you're all for commitment? What....if the girl puts out the first date? Forget all the ladies that have respect for themselves and their bodies and decide to wait?
Yes, true but that also doesn't mean he has to stay with her forever. They are just dating, there are a lot of times you know something going in but it becomes too much in the long run. Come now ladies you know that. I really don't get that she does everything besides intercourse. Whats the point? Its not like someone is more wholesome because they put it in their mouth instead. Never got that one at all. Anyway, you just have to decide how much she means to you. If you love her enough to be with her for the rest of your lives waiting wouldn't be that bad. Just me personally I couldn't marry someone I hadn't slept with. Sex is such a major part of a long term relationship that it is important to know what you are getting into. Their are a lot of things that make people sexually uncompatable besides just their parts fitting together.
Okay... this is just rediculous, moon_flower. I just said that a guy can fall out of love/need things that aren't fulfilled/etc. and he has the right to act on these urges because anything else isn't true love or passion, but is a god damn relic of mideival Europe, the 1950's or a "classic" disney movie. He's not going to go to hell for anything here... he'll get no bad karma... or whattever you believe in. He's a fucking HUMAN BEING! A human being with rights and urges and desires and human rights. If he has shit needed at such a young age, he should look elsewhere. I'm that kind of guy who ruins it for everybody else? That's what you said about me?- My views are a little opinionated but that is flat out extreme AND asinine. So if you were in a relationship where you flat out deprived of love or sex or respect or anything, you staying would be the only noble thing to do? That's not love. That's self sacrifice. Self sacrifice is usually needed to some extent for any strong relationship, but only so much- self sacrifice and love are NOT the same thing. I'm not preaching hedonism here, but everyone has the right to go with whomever MAKES THEM HAPPY IN GENERAL! I'm not saying go around dumping girls who won't don't make you feel everything you want as though women are toys. I'm saying dump girls who HEAVILLY deprive you of somethign that borders on emotional and physical NECESSETY. Like I said, you're probably a good or even great guy, but you're free to do as you want. You told her you could wait. It was a noble try, but you have the RIGHT to throw in the towel and give up whennever you want, despite what moonflower says. The minute a relationship is a prison, get out. Especially before marriage and children! Don't say Fuck me or ill leave untill she finally gives in. Tell her what you want and need, and if she accepts, she accepts. PS: Breaking a girl's cherry also doesn't mean you can never leave a girl! You're free to do what you want. Lust and passion are a MAJOR part of true love. Self deprivation is not. This is not a midieval theocracy. This is America, where we have more advanced morals. Do as you please, if you're within reasonable limits. Don't get the full love experience from her? Get it soemwhere else. And as I said before, let some other guy with her same "Till marriage" conservative attitude get with her. I'll bet she'd find happiness with a guy liek that, if she could find one.
Okay, I agree with the self-love here, and self-esteem boosters from ChronicWhateverWithaSingleT. Though it's not easy breaking up with someone you're been attached to for that long. I think it's EQUALLY about YOU as it is about HER. Make up your mind, think hard, and act on your decision. Don't be a pussy, and don't let the situation drag on if it is less than favourable.