Boris says UK not racist

Discussion in 'U.K. Politics' started by Vladimir Illich, Jun 9, 2020.

  1. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter


    And you are excusing all the evidence which substantiates my charge - what does that make you ???
     
  2. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill Lifetime Supporter

    No - It is one source - I try to be objective and suggestive, not cynical and objectionable
     
  3. Longstone

    Longstone Members

    You are simply the most vile, disgusting, disgraceful excuse for a human being that I’ve ever had the displeasure of conversing with. You should be ashamed. Your whole family should be ashamed of you. The way you talk to, and treat, other people is shameful. Educate yourself before it’s too late. I pity you.
     
  4. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter


    Ooooohhh - I've upset another 'nasty party' member or accolyte - score another one for me !!!
     
  5. Xyzlobomb

    Xyzlobomb Members

    You are unbelievable. There are racist and nasty people in every walk of life and of every political persuasion not just the Tory Party. It probably goes against your beliefs but the communist party has some horrible people in it or who belive in it and they can be some of the most racist people on the planet.
    You need to open your eyes and realise not all people of certain political persuasions are bad people.
     
  6. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter


    I am aware of racism in certain parts of what was then the Soviet Union, but the topic here is: BORIS says uk not racist !!!
     
  7. Xyzlobomb

    Xyzlobomb Members

    So can you admit that the UK is not a racist country but it does have a minority of racists of every creed colour and political persuasion .
     
  8. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter


    Regrettably, I'm not so sure that it is a minority !!!
     
  9. Longstone

    Longstone Members

    Bless you. You do make me giggle. Anyone who doesn’t agree must be a Tory? You poor pathetic little boy. Your family must be counting the days.

    The reality is that very few people, thank god, side with xenophobic, intellectually-deficient, bigots like you. I could be green, liberal, Labour, monster raving looney, and still completely disagree with your inane ramblings. Your parents have a lot to answer for, including not swallowing you
     
  10. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    Perhaps Longstone would care to explain this :


    Met racism ‘worse now’ than after Macpherson Inquiry, says ex-senior officer
    Helen William, PA
    1 June 2021, 10:33 pm


    An Asian former senior Metropolitan Police officer has claimed that institutional racism still exists in the force, and is “worse now” than after the Macpherson Inquiry more than 20 years ago.

    Former Chief Superintendent Parm Sandhu, who retired from the Met Police in 2019, alleged the label of institutional racism “fits” the force, which has “gone backwards” under the leadership of Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick.

    In an interview with Channel 4 News, Ms Sandhu said that she told Dame Cressida in 2019, when they talked about “positive action” schemes, that the Met “is not a safe environment for black and Asian officers”.

    Ms Sandhu said she also told Dame Cressida: “You should be ashamed of what you’ve done. You failed us. You failed me.

    “And she just turned her back on me, she just walked off.”

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    Metropolitan Police Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick (Jonathan Brady/PA)
    Retired judge Sir William Macpherson led an inquiry following the murder of Stephen Lawrence, a black teenager who was stabbed to death in a racist attack in south-east London in 1993.

    The inquiry report, which was published in 1999, described the Metropolitan Police as “institutionally racist”.

    Ms Sandhu rejected any claim by Dame Cressida to the contrary.

    She told the programme: “I think that she’s so far removed from reality, so far removed from real operational policing, she doesn’t know anymore.

    “She either doesn’t know, or she chooses to ignore it.

    “Institutional racism exists in the Metropolitan Police and it’s alive and kicking and is worse now than straight after the MacPherson Inquiry.”

    Ms Sandhu brought an employment tribunal claim against the force after she was cleared of breaching rules about honours nominations.

    A confidential settlement was agreed last year after she left the Met and had been cleared of gross misconduct.

    She had alleged during her employment tribunal that she had been denied promotion and work opportunities due to her race and gender.

    Ms Sandhu suggested that racism remains a problem in the force and people are leaving as things become too difficult.

    She told Channel 4 News: “When I talk about the label ‘institutional racism’ – yes, it fits.

    “There is a core of police officers who are racist, who have power, but there are a lot of police officers who are good, who are kind and who are there for the right reasons and who want to make that positive change.”

    She also alleged that her vetting interview when applying for promotion to become a chief superintendent in 2018 included a line of questioning where she was asked to “discuss your Indian heritage”.

    Birmingham-born Ms Sandhu told the programme that she thought this was “a joke”.

    A senior colleague complained about the incident and an apology was made, she said.

    Ms Sandhu was presented with the Public Sector Award at the Asian Women of Achievement Awards in 2006, in part for her work in the aftermath of the July 7 2005 London bombings.

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    Sophie Raworth from the BBC presents Parm Sandhu with the Public Sector Award (PA)
    She recalled an incident during her career where a member of the public hurled a racial slur at her while she was on patrol with fellow officers, only for her colleague to tell them that “only we’re allowed to call her” by that abusive term.

    The Met Police described Ms Sandhu as “a successful former Metropolitan Police officer” who had been promoted through the ranks and was “one of our most senior operational leaders” before her retirement.

    A spokesman said: “The Met employs more than 5,000 black and minority ethnic officers, around half of all of those employed across England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

    “The commissioner’s record on issues of race and discrimination speaks for itself and she is deeply committed to continuing to build a service that reflects those it serves.”

    The spokesman, who said the legal matters between the force and Ms Sandhu are private, added: “The Met has made no admissions of liability in respect of claims of discrimination against Ms Sandhu.”
     
  11. Xyzlobomb

    Xyzlobomb Members

    One person's view of the Met police does not mean they are racist.
    I have no doubt there are racists in the Met as in every walk of life.
    You use someone who obviously has an axe to grind with the Met so your weak argument is made even weaker.
    You need to stop being so blinkered and start looking at the bigger picture and seeing things from every side not just your bigoted communist point of view.
     
  12. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter



    ...... And Mrs Windsor and her brood ???


    Palace ‘had practice of not employing minorities for clerical jobs in 1960s’

    Tony Jones
    2 June 2021, 7:16 pm
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    One of the Queen’s most senior aides revealed in the late 1960s it was not the “practice” to employ “coloured immigrants or foreigners” to clerical posts in the royal household, archive documents have shown.

    Lord Tryon, the keeper of the privy purse at the time, spoke about minorities in the royal workforce in documents unearthed by the Guardian newspaper.

    The paper also outlined how in the late 1960s civil servants and senior figures from Government negotiated with royal aides an exemption for the Queen and the household from legislation designed to prevent race discrimination.

    A Buckingham Palace spokesman stressed the Queen and the household comply with the present Equality Act “in principle and in practice”, adding: “Claims based on a second-hand account of conversations from over 50 years ago should not be used to draw or infer conclusions about modern-day events or operations.”

    A Home Office civil servant, TG Weiler, writing in February 1968 summarised a meeting with Lord Tyron, then the Queen’s most senior financial manager, his deputy and their legal adviser in documents relating to the 1968 Race Relations Act.

    The Whitehall official reported the palace aides as suggesting the Queen’s household fell “into three categories (a) senior posts, which were not filled by advertising or by any overt system of appointment and which would presumably be accepted as outside the scope of the bill; (b) clerical and other office posts, to which it was not, in fact, the practice to appoint coloured immigrants or foreigners; and (c) ordinary domestic posts for which coloured applicants were freely considered, but which would in any event be covered by the proposed general exemption for domestic employment.”

    Mr Weiler went on to say: “They were particularly concerned, however, that if the proposed legislation applied to the Queen’s household it would for the first time make it legally possible to criticise the household.

    “Many people do so already, but this has to be accepted and is on a different footing from a statutory provision.”

    The legislation was passed after an exemption was agreed which meant the Race Relations Board dealt with allegations of racial discrimination made by members of the royal household rather than the courts.

    The Guardian reported an exemption still remains in place under the 2010 Equality Act which replaced the 1976 Race Relations Act, the 1975 Sex Discrimination Act and the 1970 Equal Pay Act.

    The newspaper’s reporting stems from documents it has uncovered relating to the use of the Parliamentary procedure known as Queen’s Consent, where the monarch’s approval is sought before legislation – which may affect either the royal prerogative or the sovereign’s private interests – can be passed by Parliament.

    Race has become an important issue for the monarchy after the Duke and Duchess of Sussex accused an un-named member of the royal family of commenting about how dark their son Archie’s skin tone might be before he was born.

    The Duke of Cambridge has defended the monarchy against Harry and Meghan’s claims, saying soon after they were made “we’re very much not a racist family”.

    It is understood records on representation were not kept at the palace before the 1990s, so it is not known when minorities were first employed in clerical roles.

    A Buckingham Palace spokesman added: “The principles of Crown Application and Crown Consent are long established and widely known.

    “The Royal Household and the Sovereign comply with the provisions of the Equality Act, in principle and in practice. This is reflected in the diversity, inclusion and dignity at work policies, procedures and practises within the Royal Household.

    “Any complaints that might be raised under the Act follow a formal process that provides a means of hearing and remedying any complaint.”
     
  13. Xyzlobomb

    Xyzlobomb Members

    Once more you reference a story based on something that was happening in the 60s.
    The world was a different place then . Racism and discrimination was rife. It was still wrong.
    I don't know what thermal family views on racism is now as they don't really interest me so I usually avoided readiabout them.
    We have to learn from history. They way you use these arguments you would think it was all happening now.
    Some of it is and we are a long way from eradicating racism and lots more needs doing the quicker the better.
    We are also a long way from eradicating bigots as you prove almost daily.
     
  14. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter


    You obviously overlooked the piece within the article which I highlighted, that despite a number of race relations acts of Pariament, the practice of descrimination practised by Mrs Windsor is still being allowed to continue to this day !!!

    The Guardian reported an exemption still remains in place under the 2010 Equality Act which replaced the 1976 Race Relations Act, the 1975 Sex Discrimination Act and the 1970 Equal Pay Act.
     
  15. Xyzlobomb

    Xyzlobomb Members

    Yes the exemption is in place and shouldn't have ever been put there.
    I also dosent mean it is getting used. Their is a plenty of ethnic minorities working for the Royal household now.
    The exemption should be removed immediately.
     
  16. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter


    Really ??? and how many are in any position of authority ??? - I still assert that Mrs Windsor and her whole household are nothing but racists !!!
     
  17. Xyzlobomb

    Xyzlobomb Members

    I will agree that some members are racist but think you are going over the top to say the whole household is racist.
    I could say the leaders of Russia or China are all racist and I would be equally wrong but some are. The same as in nearly every government around the world. You will always get a racist element some are a lot better than others at hiding it.
     
  18. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter


    But when the leader herself is a racist, it sets the scene for others to follow suit, so my assertion still stands - Mrs Windsor and her brood are racist !!!
     
  19. Xyzlobomb

    Xyzlobomb Members

    Make your mind up is it just the Queen and her family who are racists or her whole household.
    So your assertion has changed its mind.
     
  20. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter


    Yes, we know the whole of the family are racist, and I would strongly suspect the rest of the household, in following suit are equally racist.
     

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