Boris says UK not racist

Discussion in 'U.K. Politics' started by Vladimir Illich, Jun 9, 2020.

  1. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    ..... Really ??? then Boris explain Enoch Powell - a former scumbag 'nasty party' member !!!

    Black Lives Matter: Boris Johnson says UK ‘not a racist country’
    Toppling of statue of slave trader by protesters was act of criminal damage, says PM’s spokesperson

    Boris Johnson does not believe that the UK is a racist country, his official spokesperson has said.

    The comment came in the midst of ongoing Black Lives Matter demonstrations across the country, with some protesters drawing parallels between the death of George Floyd in the US and instances of racism in the UK.

    Mr Johnson last night said that people have the right to “protest peacefully and while observing social distancing” but warned that the demonstrations had been “subverted by thuggery”.

    His official spokesperson made clear that the prime minister regards attacks on police officers during protests as “unacceptable” and sees the destruction of the statue of slave trader Edward Colston in Bristol and vandalism of a memorial to Churchill in London as acts of criminal damage that should be investigated by police.

    Asked if Mr Johnson agreed with protesters who described the UK as a racist country, the PM’s spokesperson said: “No. The prime minister doesn’t doubt that there continues to be discrimination and racism, but he would not agree that this is a racist country.

    “We have made significant progress on this issue but there remains more to do and we will not be complacent in our efforts to stamp out racism and discrimination where it happens.”

    The spokesperson said that when Mr Johnson denounced “thuggery” in a tweet on Sunday evening, “he was talking about the attacks which have taken place against police officers and police officers suffering injuries, and also acts of criminal damage”.

    He added: “People have a right to protest and make their feelings known about injustices, but people must protest peacefully and in accordance with the rules on social distancing.”

    Asked whether further protests planned for this week should go ahead, the spokesperson said that the home secretary, Priti Patel, had made clear that any which did not comply with the ban of gatherings of over six people were “not lawful”.

    However, he said it was a matter for the police to judge what action to take when confronted with large crowds, and said they always have to take into account issues such as the safety of officers.
    On the issue of the toppling of the Colston statue, which was dumped into Bristol harbour by protesters who have long campaigned for its removal, the PM’s spokesperson said: “The prime minister’s view is that in this country, where there is strong opinion, there is a democratic process which should be followed.

    “People can campaign for the removal of the statue but what happened yesterday was a criminal act and when the criminal law is broken, that is unacceptable and the police will want to hold to account those responsible.

    “A crime was committed in removing the statue, an investigation is under way and the police will decide whether a prosecution is possible.”

    The spokesperson declined to say whether Mr Johnson would like to see the Colston statue returned to its former place.

    Speaking in the Commons, Ms Patel used a statement to condemn the “criminal minority” whom she claimed had subverted the Black Lives Matter protests across the country, adding: “Your behaviour is shameful and you will face justice."

    Noting that 35 police officers had been injured during the protests in the capital and 135 people arrested, the home secretary said: “As the ugly tally of officer assaults shows, some protesters regrettably turned to violence and abusive behaviour at the weekend. This hooliganism is utterly indefensible. There is no justification for it.

    “There is no excuse for pelting flares at brave officers, throwing bikes at police horses, attempting to disrespect the Cenotaph or vandalising the statue of Winston Churchill, one of the greatest protectors of our freedoms who has ever lived.

    “It’s not for mobs to tear down statues and cause criminal damage in our streets, and it is not acceptable for thugs to racially abuse black police officers for doing their jobs.”

    The home secretary was also repeatedly urged by MPs to support the removal of statues of individuals involved in the slave trade, with the Labour MP Zarah Sultana telling the Commons: “Statues of racist murderers like Colston can be found in cities across Britain.

    “So, I ask the home secretary a simple question: does she believe it is right that black Britons have to walk in the shadows of statues glorifying people who enslaved and murdered their ancestors, yes or no?”

    In response, Ms Patel, however, said: “I hope [Ms Sultana] will join me in lobbying Labour councils across the country – where they’ve been in charge for many, many years – to bring about the changes that black, Asian and ethnic minority people would like to see.”

    The chancellor, Rishi Sunak, who is himself UK-born of Indian heritage, said that the UK was now “far more inclusive and fairer than at any point in its history” and that the progress made in tackling racial discrimination was “permanent”.

    “As a British Asian of course I know that racism exists in this country,” Mr Sunak said in a statement issued on Twitter.

    “And I know people are angry and frustrated. They want to see, and feel, change. But a better society doesn’t happen overnight – like all great acts of creation, it happens slowly and depends on the cooperation of each of us toward that common goal.

    “The truth is we have created a country far more inclusive and fairer than at any point in its history. Does this mean our story is over? No, but we shouldn’t ignore the hard work of the many generations who came before us.”

    Addressing those who caused trouble, the chancellor said: “To the small minority who committed acts of violence and vandalism last weekend, not only were your actions criminal, but they also perpetuate a dangerous lie: that the temporary excitement of destruction is the same thing as change.

    “You are, and always will be, wrong.”

    He added: “But to the vast majority who seek only peaceful protest within the law and a better future for themselves and their children: whilst our progress feels slow, I promise you it is permanent.”

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  2. Maxxy

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    We in the black community have it so Easy We could get away with murder.

    George Floyd was an horrible man and I am angry this guy gets to be the poster boy for our Race.

    Also you are white so Its not your problem. You seem like a white apologist just to get us to vote for your party
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  3. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    I'm an apologist for nothing !!! I am no racist, in fact I am an Internationalist just like comrade Paul Robeson was !!!

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  4. Cookie Man

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    I guess racist it depends on whether you classify a whole country as racist ..I don't think there is any country that doesn't have racists.I know that here in Australia there are racists in pubic positions ,people like News Corp "journalist" Andrew Bolt,who is Australia's Tucker Carlson,but I don't consider the whole country racist and I think the UK is the same-there are racists around and it is up to good people to call out the racists and treat people equally regardless of the color of their skin.
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  5. Maxxy

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    Say the UK is racist Is like saying there are alot of people in the UK who hate magret thatcher so the UK is sexist
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  6. Joshua Tree

    Joshua Tree Remain In Light

    Johnson is full of shit as we all know. I would say we're a fairly racist country, others are worse than us. You'll find racism in any country, and if you're unlucky it will be directed at you.
  7. Maxxy

    Maxxy Members

    All countries have racism doesnt make the country itself raciest. Something tells me you are white and want to feel sorry for us
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  8. Joshua Tree

    Joshua Tree Remain In Light

    You believe what you want to believe.
  9. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ Dreamer Administrator

    What planet are you from...?

    What you said makes no sense whatsoever.
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  10. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ Dreamer Administrator

    From my study of history I believe the Brits were quite responsible for much of the racist attitudes that persist to this day. But other cultures are also as bad, like the Japanese. Racism is one of those ever-lasting human conditions. It takes education and travel to understand it and stamp it out of existence.
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  11. soulpoker

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    I was under the impression racism exists in British culture but not to any significant level (except recently against the Poles), and classism outweighs it by far. Am I incorrect?
  12. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    In part matey, in part. Yes Racism still exists and remains an issue. Classism has persisted for many centuries and that too still persists amongst the scumbag 'nasty party' members and supporters.
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  13. DrRainbow

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    Racism will go extinct. It bores the children.
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  14. DrRainbow

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    Racism is an excuse for vile behaviour Maxxy. The children do not want it.
  15. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ Dreamer Administrator

    Unfortunately for the kids, even tho they might not to be racist, they grow up in a racist environment with constant reinforcement of it by their parents, school teachers and religious leaders. It is endemic and will take generations of education to stamp it out.
    We have not even begun to turn the tide against racism and class discrimination.
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  16. DrRainbow

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    This discussion could not have been started at a better time. Here we have something of a twist that involves both the OP topic and where the children is truly heading. In one hand... We have a homosapien species that has not shared the environment. In the other hand... We have National Earth Day. This day is a reminder to us all that history makes no difference to extinction. People like Vlad and Maxxy may be suffering from some kind of evolutionary PTST and they have to be reminded their children are dead meat here upon Terra if we do not form a single planet and fight to reserve our eco-system.
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  17. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    Interesting that you single out Maxxy and I. Isn't the whole world affected by global worming ??? and isn't London (where you happen to live) badly affected by poor air and traffic pollution ??? - As the saying goes, people who live in glass houses .............
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  18. DrRainbow

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    I was bang out of order for typing Vlad and Maxxy. I don't know what came over me.
  19. DrRainbow

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    The UK is not racist guys but we are going to have to start making a few changes to the way virus's can turn up.
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  20. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    Q.E.D. Case proved !!!

    ‘Pervasive racism’ led to failure to commemorate black and Asian troops – report

    Sam Blewett
    21 April 2021, 9:36 pm

    “Pervasive racism” underpinned a failure to properly commemorate potentially hundreds of thousands of predominantly black and Asian service personnel who died fighting for the British Empire, an investigation has found.

    The Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC) apologised after its investigation found that those individuals were not formally remembered in the same way as their white comrades.

    Defence Secretary Ben Wallace will give a statement to MPs on the findings on Thursday, when the report is formally published in full.

    The investigation discovered at least 116,000 predominantly African and Middle Eastern First World War casualties “were not commemorated by name or possibly not commemorated at all”.

    The figure could be as high as 350,000, according to the report obtained by the PA news agency after it was first reported by the Guardian.

    Most of the men were commemorated by memorials that did not carry their names.

    The investigation also estimated that between 45,000 and 54,000 Asian and African casualties were “commemorated unequally”.

    Some were commemorated collectively on memorials, unlike those in Europe, and others, who were missing, were only recorded in registers rather than in stone.

    The special committee behind the investigation was established by the CWGC in 2019 after a critical documentary on the issue, titled Unremembered and presented by Labour MP David Lammy.

    Originally named the Imperial War Graves Commission, it was founded in 1917 to commemorate those who died in the war.

    But the investigation found that the failure to properly commemorate the individuals was “influenced by a scarcity of information, errors inherited from other organisations and the opinions of colonial administrators”.

    “Underpinning all these decisions, however, were the entrenched prejudices, preconceptions and pervasive racism of contemporary imperial attitudes,” it added.

    One example given is based on communications in 1923 between F.G. Guggisberg, the governor of the Gold Coast colony, now Ghana, and Arthur Browne, from the commission.

    At a meeting in London, it was said that the governor said “the average native of the Gold Coast would not understand or appreciate a headstone” as he argued for collective memorials.

    A response from Arthur Browne showed “what he may have considered foresight, but one that was explicitly framed by contemporary racial prejudice”, according to the report.

    “In perhaps two or three hundred years’ time, when the native population had reached a higher stage of civilisation, they might then be glad to see that headstones had been erected on the native graves and that the native soldiers had received precisely the same treatment as their white comrades,” he said.

    In its response to the report, the CWGC says it “acknowledges that the Commission failed to fully carry out its responsibilities at the time and accepts the findings and failings identified in this report and we apologise unreservedly for them”.

    In a statement CWGC director general Claire Horton said: “The events of a century ago were wrong then and are wrong now.

    “We recognise the wrongs of the past and are deeply sorry and will be acting immediately to correct them.”

    Mr Lammy, the shadow justice secretary, said: “No apology can ever make up for the indignity suffered by the unremembered.

    “However, this apology does offer the opportunity for us as a nation to work through this ugly part of our history – and properly pay our respects to every soldier who has sacrificed their life for us.”


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