Books to movies.

Discussion in 'Books' started by Occam, Aug 17, 2005.

  1. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

    What does it say when the most accurate and thoughtfull SF works translated from books to movies.

    Are those of P.K.Dick.

    The Matrix.
    Blade Runner.
    Minority report.
    Total Recall.
    The Outsider.

    The others call themselves...'new ideas'
    Ha.
    Occam has met people who truely wish the MATRIX WAS REAL
    SO THEY, And WE, had a purpose.

    Literature. Based in non contradictory specultation.
    Can change the world
    And it has.

    Occam.
     
  2. White Scorpion

    White Scorpion 4umotographer

    Occam, I've read this and your previous thread and call me stupid, but I didn't understand a thing. Would you mind being a liitle more specific so I can share your wisdom, please?
     
  3. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

    I guess one thing it says is what a fine writer Dick was!
     
  4. Penny

    Penny Supermoderaginaire

    I had no idea The Matrix was a book first... I'll have to read it, maybe I'll understand the whole thing better.. plus, I love K Dick!
     
  5. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

    Penny

    The IDEA of the matrix was put forward in Phillip K Dick's,
    'Maze of death'.
    That humans could live within a 3d world maintained as a computer program.
    One so real they thought themselves in a 'real world'

    Dick's story was different to that of the movie Matrix.
    But the 'matrix' itself. Was as far as occam knows.
    First given speculative form in his book.

    Occam
     
  6. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

    Scorpion

    Thats Ok .. occam makes 'out of the blue' comments like this all the time.
    Sometimes they mean only what the reader wants them to mean.
    Sometimes more.[​IMG]

    Maybe occam was stating that he really likes SF
    And that well presented conceptual speculation..Such in the movie the 'matrix'
    Can even enable a 'paradigm shift' within the general population.
    A shift in the way we think about reality.

    A new perspective..and a greater understanding.

    Occam realises that he brings..'philosophy' to the book forum in this post.

    Is that not why books exist?

    Occam
     
  7. White Scorpion

    White Scorpion 4umotographer

    Very true, Occam, though philosophy, as far as I was aware, permeates our entire conceptual concept far beyond words and writing. Still, I can understand your viewpoint on Matrix and that it was a development of the 'Plato of science fiction' Philip K. Dick's idea (which sadly sums up the overpaid, overated brainsewer of Hollywood). I couldn't agree more with you. I look forward to seeing your philosophies.
    PS do we adress you as Occam, or spokesperson for the aforementioned party?:)
     
  8. Micha

    Micha Now available in Verdana!

    I love PKD. I didnt realize so many other people did to. Wow cool.
     
  9. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

    Micha

    Occam has read many thousands of SF works..And Dick rates up there in the top ten SF authors of all time.
    If you want another cool writer try A A Attanasio.

    Occam
     
  10. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

    Scorpion

    Wellmet
    Occam or Piglet...both are nic's that represent this individual [only][​IMG]

    Occam
     
  11. gnrm23

    gnrm23 Senior Member

    the "valis" stuff...
    phil dick was living it...
    & writing it down as it happened to him...
    the reverend ivan stang has talked with the p k dick estate executor, & says that there are boxes & boxes of pkd's typescript with the valis-motif permeating them, (perhaps awaiting a competent editor & eventually to be published?)...
    ~
    _a scanner darkly_ filled me with dread...
    _the eye in the sky_ was a multiverse romp...
    _the man in the high castle_ showed us an america that lost WW2 to the axis powers...

    (president-for-life richard milhaus nixon still rules the earth from his nuclear stronghold on the moon)
     
  12. Spaceduck

    Spaceduck Member

    Spaceduck has nothing to say.
    Except that Spaceduck. Likes the way Occam talks.

    Spaceduck.
     
  13. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

    SpaceDuck

    LOL.
    It's really easy...
    I, am the thing that desires an occam.
    I, am what is called 'ego'.

    But 'I' am not alone.
    In this head is reason, logic, love, memory, skills by the dozen, Dreams by the million, hope, faith, lust and fear.

    So who speaks when occam talks of 'The likelyhood of a god'' and 'the human genome'. Does 'ego' ride that pushbike
    No...our 'minds' do.

    Your MIND, occams MIND...Is a thing constructed from many parts.

    It has a name. That 'mind'.
    That thing you call YOU that you struggle and fight with.. and so desire to see be worthwhile. As does occam.

    Occam is ALL he is.
    Reason has found love to be greater than itself.To be a 'reason' for this reality.
    But love wishes reason to stand over it...And protect it.

    Ballance, always the hard path.

    Occam
     
  14. Spaceduck

    Spaceduck Member

    Ah... Spaceduck, is beginning to Understand.
    That the MIND is many things. And many THINGS
    Is the mind.

    But Spaceduck's pushbike has... a flat tire.

    And Spaceduck cannot Balance.
    On a pushbike... with a flat tire.

    Spaceduck.
    :D
     
  15. White Scorpion

    White Scorpion 4umotographer

    White Scorpion likes the way you talk, too.

    White Scorpion asks if he may join in too in this philosophical menagerie?

    He feels better already. He knows that his other half is making chicken soup for him.

    White Scorpion likes chicken soup and going for a Chinese.
     
  16. Kabbalist

    Kabbalist Member

    What I really hate is when they translate movies into books... far worse...
     
  17. Micha

    Micha Now available in Verdana!

    I didnt like the Paycheck movie.

    It was too different.
     
  18. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

    Micha

    The ideas in paycheck were OK. But the script...hmmmmmmmmmmm
    The 'feel' of the movie is wrong..

    Occam
     
  19. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

    Scorpion

    Menagerie?
    Occam will use his other nic in that case.
    His hero

    Occam [aka piglet]
     
  20. gnrm23

    gnrm23 Senior Member

    a couple good books/stories into movies:

    the man who would be king (connery/caine)

    the man who fell to earth (bowie)
     

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