Bolivia's Capitalism

The past few years I've heard some mention how successful socialism in Bolivia has been under Evo Morales. Well this may explain the reasons for his success with socialism.


"This puts Bolivia in the same camp as Nordic countries, that, while praised for being examples socialist success stories, are actually using the fruits of basically capitalist economies to fund their welfare states."

Why Bolivia Is Not a Socialist Success Story | Brittany Hunter

 

I watched a movie about a political candidate in Bolivia. I think it must have been for Intro to Political Science. Here's the movie.

 

LOL, both true capitalism and communism are all but extinct today. The US installs puppet dictators on a whim, the dollar underscores just about every economy in the world today, and our military is equal to the next six to ten largest combined. We point our guns at people, we blockade them, we bomb the bastards living in mud huts with million dollar predator drones. Its empire baby, and this train ain't stopping until she derails! Everybody I know who came back from Afghanistan agrees, its the fucking stone age with cellphones.

The KKK has a special upside cross waiting for Jesus himself. Forget about small government and low taxes, its been possible to replace every bureaucrat in DC with AI programs for years. They can already replace every physician in the country with AI which are better at diagnosing people and could easily replace almost every teacher. Corporations are legally people, and AI are the next big thing. If the AI run the corporations, they will automatically be treated as if they were people.

 

All of these countries build success off of capitalism. And no one is suggesting we do anything different in this country. All anyone wants is for there to be so-called "socialist" programs like healthcare for all. Using tax dollars to pay for quality programs works in other countries and it would work here. We're the richest nation on Earth.

 

Since so many countries actually have mixed economies to some degree. How do you determine if they should be classified as socialist or capitalist?

 

By what they do outside of the economy. How else do they exert control over the population?

 

When a mixed economy goes okay, the socialists will claim it as a socialist success.

When a socialist economy (inevitably) goes bad, the socialists say "That wasn't real socialism!"

 

When a mixed economy thrives, capitalist apologists will say it wasn't real socialism. When it doesn't, the same capitalist tricksters will say "that's socialism for you!"

 

Bolivia is in the same camp as the nordic countries, so like Norway

LOL, not even close

 

Hmmmm - The Vietnamese peasant army didn't do too badly back in the 1970s coming down the Ho Chi Minh trail on foot did they ??? - they managed to 'kick ass' to the American and South Vietnamese Armies and airforces.notwithstanding their billion dollar military arsenals.

 

Didnt do too badly?

Cost about 3 1/2 Million Vietnamese their lives, both North and South

Dont get me wrong, I think we were the bad guys in Vietnam

But its not like it was a walk over

 

Yes, it was a tragic and wasteful loss of life - a loss that shouldn't have happened had the US kept its nose out of internal politics of other countries, but then as of now the Americans are paranoid about anything either Socialist or Communist.

 

The French started it

And not that simple given what was happening in Kampuchea under communism

You sound like someone that just loves to bash the US for whatever reason

You are British Right?

The Brits sided with Pol Pot in the Vietnamese/Kampuchean War - thats the war that stopped the genocide, the Brits sided with the guy that was a commie who killed 2 million of his own people


As for communism, there arent really any communist countries left anyway. Well 5 at the most, not that you can really call them communist

Socialist countries - they would be all the bankrupt ones. Not US's or anyone elses fault the socialist system just doesnt work

 

That's why the Pentagon spent the next half century developing robots.

 

The fuck is with that article?

Bolivia has a poverty rate of 39% and is half a continent away from "nearby" Venezuela.

 

When do people say this? I think you are referring to "that was not real communism" relating to the USSR. Which it was not it was a dictatorship. They are not the same and I can't name another country where people say this. The USSR was the poster child for the philosophy.

I think most socialists agree Communism is not as good. That yes in reality it's not going to work as a goverment until humans evolve.

I don't know keep in mind North Kora says it is Democratic. Words don't mean much.

 

Socialists complain capitalism is destroying the world, while capitalists complain Socialism has proven to be even worse. I say, throw the bums out of office, stop electing capitalists and socialists, and find people who are actually talking about saving the planet. Just a suggestion, but we can continue to debate the merits and lies of both socialism and capitalism, while the entire human race dies.

Fuck em, fuck em all, I have no use for capitalists who claim free market economics, then point their guns at people living in tin shacks, anymore than I have a use for socialists insisting they are more moral, while they point guns at people living in tin shacks. Give me a break, by who you hate, by this are you truly known, and the planet can't take much more of this crap.

 

What goverment do you suggest?

Either socialism or capitalism has in theory the place for science and ethics to fix any problems. Like anything it's the men who implement the ideas. Bernie Sanders is talking a lot about global warming for example. People are trying to do something.

 

People are too stupid to survive much longer with the technology we have. Over a trillion dollars was invested in AI last year alone, and the technology will either take over for us, or we die. The machines will either entice the idiots to do what it suggests, or encourage their numbers to decline, because they are that stupid.

 

AI is the future. Humans are facing some issues with danger of how we program it. It will soon be at the point of like Data from Star Trek or a Terminator. It can "learn" and make it's own decisions. Since it does what we need it to do well it can also harm us well. Its skills essentially mean it has the risks of a human.

If man does not have to work what does he do? That's the future we are facing. We can make a machine that does it faster than we ever could and it will never need a vacation. Man is left to find pleasure.

Since the 60's and the first computers this has been the sci-fi dream. Capitalism is based on the idea you need to work, you need a place in society, you must in some way serve so that the burdens of life are tolerable for others. For this you get pieces of paper that give you things you need.

If we don't have that the socialism is more ideal. When you no longer need to survive you have time for higher thinking. This might be why cave men don't have the amount of art we see in the Renaissance. During that time we started to see science and philosophy leading us to an easier life.

Machines will give us the next Renaissance. It's something I am passionate about. I watch a lot of Sci-fi too. I see the dystopia of socialistic machines but I also see the good.