Bob, His Job, and Welfare

you know, that's bullshit. i've paid into unemployment and social security for 37 years...paid taxes too. you people have alot to learn man. just wait til some misfortune befalls someone you care about. we'll see how you feel about all this tough talk then.

 

Where did I saw it was wrong to assist a person/family when in need? I just found the persons post ironic that in contrast the reverse is found to be true also.

As for "Bob" he was pretty selfish. He had a great job for years before accepting a pay cut to work for another. All those years he never thought ahead, instead took that great pay and blew it. then the new job again no smarts to save up so all this time he only had less than 30 days saved to live on. We must ask why? Big Screens, computers, toys ect is the likely answere.

As for hard times, lol been there done that and still not going to cry over a "Business Manager" that worked for years had no vision in todays market that a possible need to plan for the possible needs for his family (but was willing to think to spend time with them wasting money) deserved much pity.

I would feel for a person who worked hard, made little wages and barley got by needing help if the job fell through or even if it did not and something happend like medical issues, car died ect.

Under this story we are to feel bad for say "Bill Gates" he had a great operation, thought "wow I want to be a family man" gave it all away and then ended up loosing his low pay job and not wants our help? Sorry too bad needed to think before he did something so foolish. Could have saved back, cut corners, clipped coupons like the real world has to do to survive. Single parents, hard workers who try,seniors who busted thier ass all thier lives to provide now left with BS medical and such earned the rights to my money amd I give it freely for that reason.

You cant help but wonder why in that 1/2 a year "Bob" did not scrimp and save to build a buffer since he had to bust his ass anyway. Again this just shows but may have been a great business manager but was a poor family manager and his concern for his family fell far short. His idea to seek employment to spend more time with his family was great but his lack of planning and saving was his true destruction and now as the story goes its expected of the general public to have pitty on him and his family, support them ect all for his anti racism? What a crock!

 

umm this is just a pet peeve of mine.

lady i gotta ask ,so if im not mistaken,you have a baby correct? so you had your child in your mid 50's? or are you actually 37 an only paid into the system for 20 or so but since you were born here you automatically say 37 years even though ya didnt start working and paying in till at least 16 or so?

also ,since im on the subject i may as well ask, so your saying through having kids etc. that you have worked full time without missing any extended periods of work for the last 37 years?

if so you are definitely in the minority of women.

and yes it definitely has a bearing on your statement .

 

WTF? is the point whether she paid 37 years or 20.

Her point WAS made. She has paid into the system.

And that particular system happens to benefit people regardless of what you libertarian bunker-mentality nuts think.

I know libertarians and right-wingers hate facts, but accepting facts is a major way we mature intellectually.

 

you don't know me. and all of your above statements are incorrect. i'm not stupid enough to put my whole life on here so stupid strangers and callow kids can take pot shots either. but i have paid into the system for 37 years. that's not that unusual for people to do either. not everyone who ever needs something from the system is just a taker their whole lives. people keep making statements that a new type of government is needed because there are too many people who just take take take and need to be supported by others paying taxes. i think that's a big misconception and one that has been perpetuated by the media. if i am eligible for and apply for some sort of assistance from a government program, that doesn't make me a parasite. and like i said, anyone who sails through life with no problems they need public assistance with may still find themselves needing such help in old age, so don't be too sure you won't be one of those.

 

I find an interesting dicotomy in Bob's story.

Bob's being fired over a trivial water cooler comment sounds like a small buisiness environment, where agreeing with ones supervisor's religous and political opinions is important. Big company supervisors have proceedure's and paperwork that prevent (reduce) firing over that kind of thing. (Reviews & promotions are a different situation.)

Yet the "track down an applicant's life story" sounds like a big buisness environment.

I don't have any thing that will help Bob, but until government regulations distinguish between Mom&Pop and General Motors, workers are going to get the worst of both environments.

 

I can agree with that, Mike.

 

Well, I don't know what part of the planet that Bob lives on, but in the U.S., the only people that qualify for 'welfare' are single moms with kids, and even that money is now expected to be paid back, under guidlines that were implemented a number of years back.


In the warm-and-fuzzy, benevolent U.S.A. that we live in, Bob doesn't even qualify for 'welfare' in the first place. I suppose that the message is supposed to be that if we go back to the 'dog-eat-dog good old days' that poor Bob wouldn't be able to get welfare anymore. Sorry, but he doesn't even qualify for it in this day and time to begin with.

 

Do what?

Sure he does. If Bob is the sole wage earner with a family of four making under $2200 a month, he qualifies for food stamps, Medicaid and TANF under Georgia State Law.

That's a fact.

 

Yes actually. Why couldn't people give to them voluntarily through charities? For example, here in the UK Air Ambulance Services (helicopters) and Lifeboats are funded solely on voluntary donations. Also, Lifeboatmen are volunteers. So you see human nature is generally good when given the choice.

But the fact is people are FORCED to pay taxes. We don't have a choice where this money goes, we don't even have the choice to refuse to pay because it's taken straight out of our wages.

If we didn't pay taxes people would have a bigger wage packet, the economy would be stronger, so logic dictates people would be more willing to give to charities.

Unfortunately you seem to lack faith in human nature and seem to be saying that people are unable to make positive decisions and choices for themselves if given the freedom to do so. People would pay voluntarily into the emergency services you describe above if given the choice. People aren't all selfish backstabbing bastards, if you really believe this then i'd say go out into the world and get more life experience, do some voluntary work, go out and see the world.

Isn't this obvious? We don't live in a free society with a free market so how can we even have the opportunity to be "self-made" when a huge chunk of our wages are stolen from us? For a lot of people it's a struggle just to pay the rent and bills.

As described above, we don't have the choice to opt out of taxes and using these public services. They are taken out of our wages. So what do you suggest for those of us who can't afford to go private for services such as health care and dental care?

If I had the choice I would opt out of paying taxes to the NHS in this country because it's a total shambles. I'd much rather use the money (even if it is a little extra) to voluntarily pay into private medical insurance. Because for socailised free hospital care we pay a high price; Just ask the nearly 1 million British patients on wiating lists for treatment. Or the 200,000 Britons currently waiting merely to get on the NHS waiting lists. Or the fact over 10% of patients contract infections and illnesses that they did not have prior to arrival.

It pisses me off when people like Michael Moore and lefty groups try to trick the public both in America and here in the UK into accepting socialised medicine. If people think it's so great, try living under such systems before you start praising them.

Did you even stop to consider that the fact that the only reason giant multi-nationals with monopolies exist is because our economies are so restricted? It's true. Free market models have proven consistently (google it) that businesses and corporations in unrestricted economies usually only have a lifespan of two decades maximum before collapsing. Very basically this is because unrestricted economies tend to encourage much more competition and diversity. Infact, the restrictions we currently impose on corporations and businesses actually end up supporting monopolies even though they are an attempt to prevent them.

What are you suggesting libertine? A liberal socailist society? Not gonna happen. How many Anarchists or left-liberals have you met that turn out to be just as authoriatrian as the system and people they are supposedly rejecting? I've met a lot. Becuase the fact is these people who are claiming to be liberals aren't liberals at all. They can't claim to be in favour of freedom whilst simultaneously saying people aren't allowed to have the freedom to make profit and have a right to property. That's a direct infringement of there liberty.

And we all know where communism and fascism ended up...