Blaming Liberals?!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by The End Complete, Jan 25, 2005.

  1. Why do people blame liberals for things republicans do? Like when people are in a state of hysteria or confusion, and cleary its the republicans, they still blame liberals? Honestly, what have liberals done to ruin society? Throughout American history its always been the republicans who are moraly corrupt and pulling strings with evangelists to get their way. I'm sure democrats do it too, but at least they are the lesser of two evils...

    -TEC
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    Democans and Republicrats is what I call them.
     
  3. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

    Socialist fiscal policies have made the economy cry on many occasions. But I agree with you about Republicans tending to cause hysteria more often than Democrats, whether intentionally (George W. Bush) or unintentionally (Nixon).

    The Republican Party's ties with the evangelist movement are only about 25 years old. Prior to Reagan, the tie was weak at best. As Barry Goldwater once said, "Any good Christian should kick Jerry Falwell square in the ass."
     
  4. Ole_Goat

    Ole_Goat Member

    Can an example be given? What was it the Liberals held responsible for what the Republicans did?
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    The Democrat and Republican Parties are nothing more than corporate fronts for big-business, the illegal drug trade, money fraud, and overall corruption of the elites and their increasing control over the people. It's all a big charade -- a total joke worthy of a big laugh! Sadly, brainwashed people (which is most people) prefer the groupthink of shaping their dumbed-down ideals -- that are based on a lack of knowledge, combined with disinformation and the mindless willingness to always go along with the prevailing herd -- to conform to one of these two corporate, elitist fronts, thinking they're superior to their political rivals on the other side of the isle, when in reality they're both falling for the big lie.

    I really can't stand it when people make one party out to be "better" or "worse" than the other, because they are missing the simple fact that both parties are owned by the same corporate interests, which are owned by the very same elites at the very top of the operational pyramid, who all share the same global agenda. The mainstream viewpoint that is constantly pushed through the corporate media, that either you're a "Democrat" or a "Republican," is simply intended to provide the illusion that there are two sides "fighting" against each other, when to the people pulling the strings at the top, it's about nothing more than wealth and power, and has nothing to do with "Democratic" or "Republican" interests.

    I strongly believe the Republican and Democratic Parties have become little more than proverbial tools used by the elites to polarize and manipulate the masses into going along with the agenda that both parties ultimately share, while at the same time leading the sheep to believe there is a real difference by using carefully crafted rhetoric and policies. That's why it's called the left/right paradigm.
     
  6. jesuswasamonkey

    jesuswasamonkey Slightly Tipsy

    To a large degree, I think you are right PR. But I don't think that all democrats and republicans are crooked like that.

    Take Howard Dean, for example, he's a country doctor who went into politics, his policies are generally middle of the road, he wasn't afraid to hve opinions that were contrary to popular hysteria(like that Bin Laden should be tried like any other criminal) and he has an excellent history of voting in favor of civil rights. When the presidential primaries started, he seemed like a long shot, but he took advantage of the poor man's media (the internet) and people started to notice that he made sense. But lo and behold, as soon as it looks like he has a good shot at being president, the mainstream media gets ahold of a shot of a spirited speech and they play Dean's yell over and over until half of the free world is convinced he is a raving lunatic.

    Instead, we got Kerry, who very politely handed the country back to Bush for another four years.

    Why did the press kill Dean?
     
  7. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

    Democrats and Republicans only compete over how much of the world they can divide up between them.

    They're interested in the exact same things, and thats why they bring up inane arguments to divide up the idiots in this country.

    Like gay marrige... neither side gives a shit about gay marrige... it's just a good distraction to keep people from looking at more important issues.
     
  8. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

    I didn't really like Dean that much but I agree with you there... find a little nvideo of a guy showing some passion for a few seconds and a little clip of him yelling gets replayed like its a damn important issue in this election...

    If Kerry had done a little yelling he might have won.

    But americans aren't ready for rational debate... they love being force fed bullshit from Sean Hannity.
     
  9. RevoMystic

    RevoMystic Member

    you guys speak the truth, and very eloquently!

    My problem with "liberals" is, for one, they're all talk. And they bow down each and everytime they lose a fight...they're the first ones to say "get over it, we lost!" even if the opponents STEAL the victory...which is precisely what happened after this "election". They are weak. They don't stand up for what they believe in (if they still remember what that is) and they are so easily herded into the republican camp when something traumatic occurs, like 9-11. Liberals all across the U.S. supported the U.S. attacking the soviergn(sp) nation of Afghanistan, which slaughtered thousands of innocents, even though the nation of Afghanistan itself had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks. Liberals supported that effort and cursed at anyone who disagreed.

    Liberals are lazy. Liberals are weak-kneed, and liberals will join the conservatives ANY DAY before taking any real action toward progressive change. That's their track-record, and it's utterly pathetic. So my beef with liberals is that they'll turn on you in a flash when something goes afoul.

    And of course I'm not talking about the Democratic party, which as some here stated accurately, have almost completely abandoned the working class, and is no longer representative of the everyday American, but of corporate might, like the republicans. They've morphed with the republicans into a single party bent on global empire through corporate legislation and military enforcement. And the few honest Democratic leaders that are left are marginalized, ignored, berated on the corporate media, and assasinated, as I believe Sentator Paul Wellstone was.
     
  10. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    Dean and Kucinich were the only remotely real candidates running for the Democratic ticket. Dean actually stood a good chance at winning, and I believe he would have if the elites didn't have their way. You see, Dean wasn't a "team player." When you look at who owns the major media, it's not hard to see why the press killed Dean in favor of their brother Kerry. But in reality, it wasn't even the press. The media simply provided the excuse for why Dean wouldn't go on to win.

    I believe Dean was destined to lose from the beginning.

    I believe that the whole thing was a giant charade and the wooden Kerry was the "chosen one" right from the very get-go, long before the campaigning even began.

    We know how easy it is for the voting system to be rigged. We have seen this with the past TWO presidential elections, though I am sure it has been going on for much longer than that. If they can rig the presidential elections with such ease, they can certainly rig the primaries. And that's how I believe that Kerry ultimately wound up as the Democratic nominee against his frat brother Bush. It wasn't because of a harmless temper tantrum thrown by a frustrated but passionate Dean following the Iowa Caucuses, as the media would have you believe.

    The elites needed somebody who would represent them and their interests, so it makes sense that they'd put one Skull & Bonesman up against the other, so if by chance their scheme didn't work according to plan, they'd still have one of their own in office to serve their agenda.

    As far as liberals, most of them are incredibly naive and ill-informed. (Then again, so are most so-called "conservatives.") They fall for the same exact lie as their opponents, yet many see themselves as rebels against the system, which is a joke. Their entire belief system is built around the illusion the very system they're rebelling against created.

    Most liberals still believe the big lie that al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11, and that "Saddam was a bad man who needed to be taken out," while failing to see who helped put him into power in the first place. They simply dislike Bush for his war and dopey persona, yet many of them have no idea what the war is really about. Most of them believe the reason they were given by the administration through the corporate, government-owned, Illuminati-controlled media. They simply follow the chorus line that war is bad, when in reality it's a lot worse than they think it is, simply because of the very reason why the war was created -- which wasn't for WMD's or liberating the Iraqis, but for oil and domination of the Middle East -- in which 9/11 served as the pretext.

    Most liberals and conservatives alike fail to see that Bush is simply a puppet for those who hold much more power than he does. He (as ALL presidents are) is a figurehead for a powerful, secretive elite that most people are completely unaware exists. This "secretive elite" I am referring to consists of world bankers (Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc.) and those who hold the top seats of some of the world's biggest multinational corporations. These are the people who really own and control America, and they all operate through our own government, within shadow government organizations such as the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Bilderberg Group, and the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) among others. Bush is their representative. He's the douche bag that stands in front of the camera and pretends to be cute while everyone believes he's the Grand Poobah in charge, as if he can even tie his shoes.
     
  11. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

    Yeah, I think so too. It's very sad and leaves me feeling somewhat hopeless.
     
  12. RevoMystic

    RevoMystic Member

  13. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

    yeah, I'm not completely hopeless, just losing hope that a decent person will ever be elected into a very high office. But I agree, there are much better ways to change things than voting for people. I'm going to be an environmental educator hopefully. I think people can make a difference.
     
  14. RevoMystic

    RevoMystic Member

    well, as someone who hopes to live in an anarchist world someday, I have no hope that the electoral process can ever be redeemed. I'ts like trying to cure a cancer that has almost killed its host. I want a completely new form of society.

    As some radicals have declared from the rooftops in recent times, "ANOTHER WORLD IS POSSIBLE!" I believe it so.
     
  15. Joe Cool

    Joe Cool Member

    "Our government is a bird with two right wings... They're devoted to the perpetuation & spread of corporate capitalism."
    -- Lawrence Ferlinghetti
     

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