Black Lives Do Count

Balls

That stance is just

I don’t want to hear about it
I don’t want to see it
I don’t want to talk about it.

But that doesn’t work - there clearly are racial issues in US society, for people to say otherwise because they find the subject uncomfortable is just unhelpful and just let the issues fester which isn’t a rational way to deal with a problem.

 

Balls

But the whole point is that it should and when it doesn’t the question should be why not, rather than your stance of – let’s not talk about it

Why do you (they) feel ‘blamed’?

Again you don’t seem able to look beyond the response ‘shut up’ in an effort to close down discussion.

A society is a group made up of sub-groups these groups are made up of individuals, and individuals fit in to certain groups, these can be economic, sexual, racial etc, and there can be crossovers.

We use statistics as a tool to see if there are problems in the system as a whole, and those related to race in the US seem to indicate there is a problem in that area.

 

Ti never told anyone to shut up. Systematic racism does blame All White people for ones incarceration, for their failures, for being kicked pc out of school, for not doinfg the work. Calling someone racist is used to shut people up today, if others don't shut up it is used as proof of racism simply because you disagree with the accusation. It is the white americas fault, white americas responsibility, ones own actions are taken away from the one who did it and blame put on another because they are white. I have slacked off in school at times and that was my is fault. If I steal something and get caught I know it is wrong. Don't blame people based on skin colour. That is systematic racism. It is putting blame on people who are white, for things they have no control over, blaming bSed on skin colour. If a black person fails in school, white mans fault. If a black perso. Gets arrested it us the white mans fault. That is systematic racism.

As for why 0.01% of black and white peoples are shot diuring an arrest, the reason is over 75 percent of those was because they reached fior a weapon. Sorry but if I am stopped by police I do not reach for a weapon and Ikeep my hands where they can be seen. Reason I do? Cops see daily the results of the worst of the worst. You know on domestic dispute calls there is a 25 percent chance of the cop being killed or assaulted? So i would keep my hands visible and not reach for a weapon. Common sense.

 

If stating an opinion is considered an issue to you, so be it. seems to me that you have a issue with my opinion, while I dont give a shit about your personal opinion of me. So in your opinion I am not allowed to have an opinion because that is an issue or problem, according to you, while others opinions are not an issue or problem, because they are your friends I suppose and you agree with them. Not to mention your need to inform people of who can have an opinion as some opinions you call problems if rthey differ from your own opinion.

Got it! You have issues/problems, clearly,

Lol

 

For about 15 years the highest participation in tertiary education by any demographic is black females



Per capita there are more black women in college than white women in prison

 

Balls

How is this a rational response to a social problem? You should be asking - why has the US got these racial issues not start what looks like a spittle spraying rant about it all being about blaming whites.

I know you want to bypass racial groups by concentrating on individual action but as pointed out if there were no issues then the distribution would be a lot more even the fact that it is not with large discrepancies between racial groups indicates that there are problems which should lead on to the question of why.

 

Nope, that was not the issue at all. But nice try. Thanks for making clear what you're doing here

 

Approximately 20 percents of inmates are not US citizens or residents, 41 554 in prison are not a part of the population of the USA. So they do not count and can not be counted if f they are not accounted for in the USA piopulation. But committed crimes in the USA and have been incarcerated for it. Will be deported. So shall we knock at least 10 percent off the black population? What percentage of those are black and white.

 

Not sure what you are doing in this thread other than to attempt to trigger me, good luck with that. troll much? Nice try! Not too sure what you think you have made clear. Lol. This is crazy. Good luck out there.

 

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp

Sorry to interrupt...

This site has statistics from prisons.

 

I think it's interesting that they focus so much on drug offenses. https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp

The numbers for drug offenders are 80,944.

What you may not know is that the media tends to sensationalize or over-represent the amount of violent crime.

The numbers for Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping are 5,588

Property Crime (Burglary, Larceny) is 8,177, apparently more common than violent crime.

Look at those numbers. 80,944 are drug related. Who do you think makes up the majority in those statistics? I'm willing to bet it's disproportionately African Americans and/or Hispanic.

EDIT: I have additional data. The additional data relates to a different year, but says

That's three quarters of over 90,000 for 2012

The data suggests what? I think it says that there is inequality in the focus of policing, and that there is an inherent focus on drug offenses.

 

So what, i mean arn't we talking about US racial issues not foriegn nationals?

Nationally, according to the U.S. Census, Blacks are incarcerated five times more than Whites are, and Hispanics are nearly twice as likely to be incarcerated as Whites

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/rates.html

 

Yea..

sorry I took forever to post, but I did a write-up on the statistics and what they might mean contrary to what was said earlier. I apologize for the lateness of my reply.

it's mostly for drug offenses according to Bureau of Prisons data.

 

Soul

My apologies for not waiting for to clarify the post.

Will read with interest.

Balbus

 

Not a problem. Glad to see some of us on the same page.

 

There is racism and then there is racism

Obviously a black person is just as capable of bigotry as a white person

That's not the issue

The issue is when bigotry creeps insidiously into the social structure of society and gives one group an unfair disadvantage

We all have the freedom to be ignorant bigots if we want, but we dont have the freedom to let our bigotry affect an entire community's quality of life

Such as my previous example, the disproportionate rate of blacks who are arrested and incarcerated for drug use even though drug use is roughly the same between blacks and whites

Blacks and hispanics are also given longer sentences on average than white people for the same crimes. Do you think this is fair?

Let me give another example - in the 60s fair housing laws were enacted because someone realized that the rate of qualified white people being approved for housing was much higher than the rate of qualified blacks.

This is why using stats to identify societal problems is important.

 

Those numbers you read for USA prison population by race includes people who are not citizens but they are included in the percentage of race and then are compared against USA population by race that does not include them, thus inflating the numbers. Also inflating the outrage in order to virtue signal point fingers and place blame, cause division.

 

the numbers for citizenship come from the Bureau of Prisons https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp

They are as follows:

Colombia - 1,695 or .9%
Cuba - 1,234 or .7%
Dominican Republic - 1,522 or .8%
Mexico - 25,255 or 13.5%
Other/Unknown - 9,458 or 5.1%
United States - 147,271 or 79%

That's seventy-nine percent U.S. citizens according to the Bureau of Prisons.

 

It still seems so much like useless scorekeeping, especially when decades-old numbers are invoked. And really, what is "bigotry" anymore when basically ALL disputes between races from parking spaces to final exams is determined to be racism? The term itself has lost a serious amount of weight because it's used for so many things that have nothing to do with race, until someone's feelings get hurt.

We just had an interesting revelation today in Atlanta as it was revealed that Mary Norwood, who ran for mayor in 2009 and lost to Kasim Reed, has suddenly, magically become a republican. Of course this is utter bullshit. But Atlanta has had a black mayor for decades now and Norwood was actually a threat to what has become a racial tradition in 2009 and this was stated openly as Reed's backers shouted out loud that Atlanta MUST have a black mayor. What's interesting is that she hit the pavement far more than Reed. She went to the community meetings and solved all kinds of problems.

All Reed had to do was make a lot of promises and keep the crony-driven airport concessions intact. But his time is over, he's backing another crony and Norwood's back. So the local democrats are doing their best to shit on her, by trying to tar her with the R label, JUST because she's not black. But of course, there's no racism in such a move since the mayor's office in Atlanta "belongs" to black people.

What's peculiar though is that during Shirley Franklin's administration and well into Reed's, Atlanta razed the government housing projects and send the residents out to the suburbs under section 8. So the city demographics have shifted dramatically as condos have gone up and are largely being filled with gay white people to the point that people are calling it the San Francisco of the east. I'm from the San Francisco bay area, so they have a long way to go before that title can be assumed.

What I'm getting from this rather dull conversation is that I'm absolutely wrong about everything because I'm an old white guy and white people have been horrible for eons and we just can't be trusted to have a valid opinion since we are so godawful white. Even the former first lady said as much about the republicans, who ran a vastly more diverse array of candidates in the last presidential election than the democrats. (Don't waste your time trying to attach me to either one of these foolish parties, they both suck and they both mismanage the nation)

It's all so confusing. As for racism, if you hate people for JUST being white, you're probably a racist. It's really that simple. I can't imagine hating a whole cross section of people because of their color. Talk about some primitive shit.

Anyway, I'm off to culturally-appropriate some Jambalaya my Creole mother in law made. Sure, she put a curse on me years ago, but she's been a lot nicer since I bought her a house!

 

Its garbage though, you say it like that, people will assume you mean there are 5 times as many blacks in prison as whites. When you really mean per capita. There are around 2.2 million in your prison system, 40 % are categorsed as white only, not mixed race.

Everyone remember set theory from high school? It doesnt even mean 5 times per capita in each state.

Are blacks in New Hampshire 5 times per capita more likely to end up in prison, no

Are blacks from Chicago/ Miami / LA where there are a lot of gangs 5 times per capita more likely to end up in prison, probably 10 times.

Are whites from Loiusiana more likely to end up in prison than blacks from washington, probably.

There are more blacks in prison than in college? That hasnt been true for a while, even when it was, you are only in college for 3 years, whereas you can be in prison for up to 70 years or so, so its a silly comparison.

Then there is the gender aspect, if its a race thing, why are there so few females compared to males, only 6% of the prison population constitutes females regardless of race