Black Flags Over Brooklyn

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  1. GuerrillaLorax

    GuerrillaLorax along the peripheries of civilization

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    Black Flags Over Brooklyn 2019 – two-day Anti-Fascist Extreme Metal Festival

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    Black Flags Over Brooklyn 2019 - two-day Anti-Fascist Extreme Metal Festival | Brooklyn Bazaar | 150 Greenpoint Ave.

    A Friday night show will be followed by an all-day Saturday event that will include an all-day vendor market of band merch, label distros, radical publishers, activist organizations, local artisans, and more, and it’s all going down at Brooklyn Bazaar in Greenpoint.

    The worldwide rise of violent white supremacy and fascism has put every one of us—but especially those in marginalized communities—at risk, and metal should not be allowed to become a breeding ground for right-wing extremism.

    This festival is for those of us who reject and push back against that poison—who adhere to the mantra that “metal is for everyone (except Nazis),” and who are committed to cleaning up our own backyard. The artists on this lineup are all very different, but are all united under the same ethos: FUCK NSBM.

    As we all know, metal is an incredibly vibrant, diverse subculture. Unfortunately, there’s a small but vocal contingent of traitors in our midst who care more about gatekeeping and upholding toxic ideologies like white supremacy, racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, Islamophobia, xenophobia, and bigotry in general than in seeing the genre thrive.

    It’s time to raise the black flag, throw the horns, and take our scene back! Black Flags Booking Presents: BLACK FLAGS OVER BROOKLYN 2019
     
  2. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    Lol, race traitor. A night of bone heads, no thx

    Metal is for everyone, but not these people we don't want this specific type of person liking metal. :tearsofjoy:. Didn't metal emerge from the UK industrial zones primarily bands like Skrewdriver so really NSBM has been a part of the metal scene since the very early days.

    I think Guy Sebastian would be more fitting for some.
     
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  3. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Nice to see as someone who was once deep into the metal life.

    There is A LOT of Nazism and general white pride associated with many bands. And the bands that speak against that often loose record sales. It offends the tough guy macho image of the music. Kind of like certain razors I guess. You are expected to be cold and brutal. Part of that is a racial dominance from the race strong enough to do it. Democracy is for the weak.
     
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  4. GuerrillaLorax

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    "Specific kind of person"? You're arguing for literal nazis? Most people don't want nazis (or sexists and racists in general) to even exist, let alone thrive in our music scenes.

    Absolutely! Although to be thorough, most fascism emerges through democracy. But your premise is still valid.
     
  5. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    Oh, I just don't like any group of people being ostricized for their own beliefs. I believe any type of person should be able to write whatever music they desire. We are talking about the world of heavy metal where anything goes, seems inappropriate to take a stance on it.

    Seems very un-metal to me.
     
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  6. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Irms, you sound like a majority of metal fans accept neonazism. This is false. The NSBM subgenre is tolerated by the majority at best, not accepted and definitely not supported.

    I don't know any of the artists or bands in the OP but you say these anti-fascist bands have no place in metal. Uhm, anti fascist bands have been a wellknown given in the alternative music scene since at least the 80s.. granted, its most often punk or some kind of hardcore but still..
    Besides, the genres you are defending here are curiously enough just as anti to certain kinds and groups of people as these anti-fascists. Yet your main issue with them seems that they're agitating against the intolerance of these neonazi and/or fascist stuff.. this reeks of very dubious hypocricy. I mean you don't have to like any band in the OP but uhm... you dismiss them for the wrong reasons it seems, and even worse: you seem to applaud neonazi metal bands for doing the same kind of thing!

    Me too. And when they actively and directly incite violence and encourage hatecrimes they also deserve criticism and even certain other consequences at times

    It is inappropriate to take a stance on fascism and other kinds of discrimination in metal music? You're wrong. Metal (and punk) is THE music genre to agitate against anything. If it is appropriate for agitating against the mainstream and the establishment, and for taking a stance on the bio industry to name a few examples, as well as taking a stance FOR neo fucking nazis and fascist principles than why in earth wouldn't it be appropriate to be taking a stance against it? Lots of metal has predominantly anti themes. They rally against something. This absolutely counts for NSBM.
     
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  8. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    OK you are right and I am wrong.
     
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  9. Irminsul

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    I guess I just feel like if you do anything in your life because music tells you to do it then you're just an idiot. It's like all millions of fans that listen to cannibal corpse, how many of them actually practice blunt force castration on a daily basis? Or submerge people in boiling water or any of the nonsense spoken in a heavy metal song?

    If songs and lyrics like that aren't alarming to the general public, but a bonehead who sings about the nationality of his country is, then that's kind of fucken stupid if you ask me. Or a band that talks about killing and raping children, that's all well and dandy but fuck this band for speaking about their own ideology. And you're casting the word "hypocrisy" at me? Anything goes in heavy metal, it's documented in the lyrics and artworks of many albums and bands, there is no limit, when a limit has been reached a new bunch of kids raise that bar again until you get to the point a record store cannot even sell an album because the artwork is so messed up.

    So 1000 people will show up to a gig called manic thoughts of perverse mutilation, but they'll complain about the next gig having right wing political agendas?

    Come on. It's retarded. And people can have their criticism, but when a group of people rally together to incite hate on others then they are no better than who they're fighting with, which is why I think this is rediculous. It's a few bands playing to their own audience, probably like 50 people, mostly made up other bands and their girlfriends. You just let them have a good time like you should. You don't get an army start a hate mongering act just because you don't like what they're singing about.

    Its so often these days almost with any political argument I find this to be absolute truth, that what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

    I'm happy to be wrong about this as usual, but I live in a country that sees this behaviour quite regularly and I just think it's a shame that both sides have to infiltrate one a other personal space, privacy and agenda just to get their own points and ideology across. One source of music is not definite from one person to another, so exactly like political opinion, it doesn't make sense to ostricize anybody over their political ideals within a music genre. That's wrong to me.

    Nobody deserves to be harassed for trying to enjoy a night of music they enjoy listening to, no matter what they believe. /
     
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  10. GuerrillaLorax

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    Racists and sexists shouldn't ever be tolerated. Anywhere.

    This is hardly about the influence of the music, and mostly on the space created by the fascist crews. When the fash have a hold on our music scenes, it drives out those who are on the receiving end of their genocidal fetishes.

    It makes sense that to make metal inclusive of all, the fash obviously need to be driven out. Seeing as their views and projects are for mass genocide and all.
     
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    Through The Screams: Audio Report from Black Flags Over Brooklyn - It's Going Down

    "For as long as everyday people have been picking up instruments and singing songs, they have been poking fun and attacking those with privilege and in power. Music, which has always had the ability of bringing people together, has also always been a source for potential insurgency in the eyes of the State."


    "Black Metal, where in some countries, the genre took on an openly Satanic and anti-Christian worldview, and for a period of time in the early 1990s, was closely associated with a string of murders and church burnings across Norway. But extreme metal has also been known for at times attracting those with far-Right and even neo-Nazi ideals and sympathies. This is most noticeable in the rise of NSBM, or National Socialist Black Metal, which embraces neo-Nazi ideas, as well as a worshiping often a return to “white” per-Christiandom.

    But with the rise of reactionary elements within the extreme metal scene, there have also been those that have pushed back, and attempted to reclaim rock’n’roll as the rebellious, race traitorous, and anti-authoritarian rebellion it always has been, as well as build a wider anti-racist and antifascist culture within it. Towards this end, the Black Flags Over Brooklyn festival held last month in January was organized and brought together a wide-variety of anarchist and anti-fascist acts across the extreme metal, punk and hardcore spectrum, while also fighting to not only create, hold onto, and maintain an anti-racist, anti-colonial, anti-patriarchal, and anti-fascist space for both musicians, show organizers, and fans. "
     
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  13. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Shake it baby, some day you will be a real anarchist, but not until you can work crap out, without doing squat.
     
  14. GuerrillaLorax

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    I don't think that's how the David Rovics song goes
     
  15. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Black metal is the ultimate form of rock and roll (if we include metal in that term which I always did). The only modern subgenre of metal that interests me and I massively enjoy (still only dig a minority of it but still). I have no issue with some people who perceive it otherwise and agitate against it (bound to happen with anything edgy or controversial anyway), but really it has to be said; plenty of people in that subgenre are more tolerant and openminded than these anti fascists.
     

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