Bill Clinton and Donald Trump have more in common

Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, not much about Trump is there?
Clinton is past history dug up to defend Trump's actions.

Monica Lewinsky's life was ruined? I don't think so. Remember it was a consensual act and she saved the dress with the stains and never washed it. Now why would she do that? For a memento?

She wrote a book,

High living expenses!
She got a $300,000 ad payment from Jenny Craig, she

She worked as a correspondent for Channel 5 in the UK, appeared in an HBO special, America Undercover, hosted a FOX show, appeared on multiple talk shows, National Geographic TV, earned a Master of Science degree, and gave a TED talk, among many other accomplishments.

Her net worth is estimated to be from $500,000 to $1.5 million dollars, but no one seems to know how much for sure, she does own a $500,000 dollar house.
In 2012 Forbes claimed she made 12 million.

Yeah, her life was ruined.

 

I'd be much happier talking about Trump as he is a much more dangerous man than Clinton ever was, or is. But I'll answer your concern with Bill.

I read the article.
Monika was 22 years old and working in the White House. She wasn't some 16 year old kid.
She was surrounded by power and she was old enough to know what's going on.
Don't try and tell me she was completely innocent like some Bambi character just out of the woods.
Clinton never hid his age, his power, or his role as an authority figure. He was the president of the United States.
He never threatened her job or position, never threatened public humiliation, never forced her to do anything she didn't want to do. The only power he held over her was the power she gave him as an admirer.

Now moving on to the relationship between bosses and subordinates. I fully understand what is being said about that topic, but I will not agree that all such relationships are necessarily evil. True love can result from a boss/subordinate relationship. Or simply consensual sex can result without the "boss" forcing anything or exerting any power dynamic.

Then she goes on:

Well, what was the inappropriate abuse of authority, station, and privilege?
She makes a broad statement with no supporting examples. Did Clinton threaten her in some way? Did he make unwelcome advances? Did he touch her inappropriately without her consent? Or was she fully engaged in consensual activities?

Is she accusing Clinton of sexual assault? I thought she said it was consensual. Is she accusing him of sexual harassment? I haven't heard any of that.
Abuse of power? In what way? She looked up to him as a powerful man? She bears no responsibility for that at all?

Please, Bill was 49 and she was 22, old enough to know what's going on. He was president of the Untied States for god's sake. And she didn't realize he had power and was older than her?

As far as my out dated thinking, perhaps. I'm 68 years old. When I was 22 I knew exactly how power dynamics worked in the workplace, and in college, and everywhere else.
Perhaps I'm outdated for thinking that there is more than enough blame to go around. Both of them are to blame, not just Clinton.
Excuse my backward thinking but as a 22 year old I took at least some responsibility for my actions.

And no I don't condone the use of power to get anything in an inappropriate way be it sex, advancement at work, or a cup of coffee from the Keurig machine.
But, it takes two to tango in this case and both of them are to blame.

 

Yeah, well I'm done.

Clinton was certainly at fault as he was married.
Clinton was older.
More experienced.
Had more power.
Ten times worse than Trump.

Monika is totally innocent.

And I only defend old white men.
Got me.

 

I thought I did. Try reading my posts.

And thank you supporting my view of the outcome for Lewinsky.

 

I know I wasn't going to comment on this anymore...but what the heck.

I have been thinking about the various comments about Monika, her young age, and the powerful Bill Clinton; and my antiquated ideas about women in the workplace.
And I have come to realize I was wrong. It's not easy to admit how off base my thinking on this subject has been but I do have to concede.

Having never had daughters I hadn't realized how frail the psyche of women can be, especially young ones.
I had always believed that women were at least as strong as men, in many areas stronger. I had believed that a women's mind was equal to that of any man's, in general, and that they were strong, independent thinkers who had the ability to control their own destiny.

I was wrong. I didn't realize how a powerful man can so easily sway them and disrupt their moral values and sense of right and wrong. Especially when they are young.
I shudder to think of the horrible ordeals my wife of 45 years must have had to endure in the workplace. She started working in high school, under male bosses, and at the tender age of 19 was married and entered the workforce full time as a lowly pharmacy tech, under several male bosses.
How innocent I was when she told me she had to work late. What deprivations she must have endured in silence for over 35 years at the hands of those powerful bosses. I mean, her first boss was in his 60s when she was first hired and her other later bosses were all at least 20 years older than her. And powerful. For the last 20 years they ruled an empire that rivaled national drug store chains.

I now question whether any women is safe in the workforce, especially if they have a male boss. Especially if they are young and so impressionable and liable to stray from a strong moral base.
I know, it's the bosses' fault for preying on these frail young impressionable women who are such easy marks and I realize all male bosses should be at least be "reeducated" if not served with a court injunction mandating they stay at least 20 feet away from any female employees; but that isn't very realistic.

I now realize my views on women were in error and there are indeed major differences in the two genders, especially in the case of young women.

Men
Powerful
Strong
Logical
Independent

Women
Powerless
Weak
Emotional
Dependent
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As Jeffrey Kluger, author of The Narcissist Next Door, noted about Trump, “Women find his power almost as much of a turn-on as his money.”
I hadn't realized they couldn't help themselves.

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Well thanks everyone for expressing your opinions. I've never claimed to be holier than thou and I do appreciate everyone's views on different matters.

I won't apologize if anyone thinks my views are snarky, inappropriate, or sad. I yam what I yam as Popeye said.
I don't try to live up to anyone's expectations, just trying to live up to my own is tiring enough.