Biblical Inconsitencies

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  1. MrRee

    MrRee Senior Member

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    MT 28:6-8 The women ran from the tomb "with great joy."
    JN 20:1-2 Mary told Peter and the other disciple that the body had been stolen. (Would she feel "great joy" if she thought the body had been stolen?)
    MT 26:8 The disciples reproach her.
    MK 14:4 "Some" reproach her.
    JN 12:4-5 Judas Iscariot reproaches her.

    MT 26:14-25, MK 14:10-11, LK 22:3-23 Judas made his bargain with the chief priests before the meal.
    JN 13:21-30 After the meal.

    MT 26:20-29, MK 14:17-28, JN 13:21-30 Jesus forecasts his betrayal prior to the communion portion of the supper.
    LK 22:14-23 After the communion portion.

    MT 26:26-29, MK 14:22-25 The order of the communion was: bread, then wine.
    LK 22:17-20 It was: wine, then bread.

    MT 26:34, LK 22:34, JN 13:38 Peter was to deny Jesus before the cock crowed.
    MK 14:30 Before the cock crowed twice.
    MK 14:66-72 The cock crows after both the first and second denials.
    (Note: These discrepancies have been "translated out" in some Bible versions.)

    MT 26:40-45, MK 14:37-41 The disciples fall asleep three times.
    LK 22:45 One time.

    MT 26:49-50, MK 14:44-46 Jesus is betrayed by Judas with a kiss, then seized.
    LK 22:47-48 Jesus anticipates Judas' kiss. No actual kiss is mentioned.
    JN 18:2-9 Jesus voluntarily steps forward to identify himself making it completely unnecessary for Judas to point him out. No kiss is mentioned.

    MT 26:51, MK 14:47, JN 18:10 The ear of a slave is cut off and left that way.
    LK 22:50-51 The severed ear is miraculously healed by Jesus.

    MT 26:52 Dispose of swords. All who take the sword will perish by it.
    LK 22:36-38 Buy swords.

    MT 26:57, MK 14:53, LK 22:54 After his arrest Jesus is first taken to Caiphas, the high priest.
    JN 18:13-24 First to Annas, the son-in-law of Caiphas, then to Caiphas.

    MT 26:18-20, 57-68, 27:1-2, MK 14:16-18, 53-72, 15:1 Jesus' initial hearing was at night on Passover. In the morning he was taken to Pilate.
    LK 22:13-15, 54-66 The initial hearing took place in the morning on Passover.
    JN 18:28, 19:14 It took place the day before Passover, on the Day of Preparation.

    MT 26:59-66, MK 14:55-64 Jesus was tried by the entire Sanhedrin (the chief priests and the whole council).
    LK 22:66-71 There was no trial but merely an inquiry held by the Sanhedrin.
    JN 18:13-24 There was no appearance before the Sanhedrin, only the private hearings before Annas and then Caiphas.

    MT 26:63, LK 22:70 The high priest asks Jesus if he is the Son of God.
    MK 14:61 He asks Jesus if he is the Son of the Blessed.

    MT 26:64, LK 22:70 Jesus answers: "You have said so," or words to this effect.
    MK 14:62 He answers directly: "I am."

    MT 26:69-70 Peter makes his first denial to a maid and "them all."
    MK 14:66-68, LK 22:56-57, JN 18:17 It was to one maid only.

    MT 26:71-72 Peter's second denial is to still another maid.
    MK 14:69-70 (Apparently) to the same maid.
    LK 22:58 To a man, not a maid.
    JN 18:25 To more than one, "they."

    MT 26:73-74, MK 14:70-71 Peter's third denial is to bystanders (two or more).
    LK 22:59-60 To "another" (one).
    JN 18:26-27 To one of the servants.

    MT 26:74 The cock crowed once.
    MK 14:72 The cock crowed twice.

    MT 27:3-7 The chief priests bought the field.
    AC 1:16-19 Judas bought the field.
     
  2. Mononucleosis

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    so some people get posts by changing bible words, some by random pictures in stead of words, and some by posting bible quotes that are inconsistent... how do some of you not have that many then?
     
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    "God" is inside you...not inside a book

    Bits and pieces of every religion are true and false
    Thats why I feel its important to concentrate on your own relationship with your "God"
    Just my thought
     
  5. Bikshu

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    They are not simple twists of logic.
    1 The bible was writen in parts over time by different people.
    2 All these people try to explain experiences that are not easy to put into words
    3 They were written for the times
    4 They have to be interpreted.

    The truth contained in the Bible is the same as the truth in any religion, but no religion expresses it accurately.
     
  6. Bikshu

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    Next, the Gospel of John is a deeply mystical document written by scholars. It is not intended to be historically accurate, but to convey underlying truths. Dont ask me what they are because i'm not christian, but I can guess.

    Christ is the symbol of perfection on earth. for individual men, for harmony with nature, for right thinking etc. The Bible says that all things will be restored to Chirst (in otherwords, become as Christ) Christ "saved" us by showing us the right way to live. If we live as he did, we will be restored to Christ (made perfect)

    change a few words and you can get the meaning of many religions.

    in any case, inconsistancies in wording are there because the author is using them in a different way than the others.
     
  7. MrRee

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    Most of what you say I agree with Bikshu.
    However this post is aimed at extreme right wing christian fundamentalists who calim "the bible is the inerrant word of God."
    It's a way of saying "bullshit it is" using their own doctrine.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. MrRee

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    MT 27:5 Judas threw down the pieces of silver, then departed.
    AC 1:18 He used the coins to buy the field.
    MT 27:5 Judas hanged himself.
    AC 1:18 He fell headlong, burst open, and his bowels gushed out.

    MT 27:11, MK 15:2, LK 23:3 When asked if he is King of the Jews, Jesus answers: "You have said so," (or "Thou sayest").
    JN 18:33-34 He answers: "Do you say this of your own accord?"

    MT 27:11-14 Jesus answers not a single charge at his hearing before Pilate.
    JN 18:33-37 Jesus answers all charges at his hearing before Pilate.

    MT 27:20 The chief priests and elders are responsible for persuading the people to ask for the release of Barabbas.
    MK 15:11 Only the chief priests are responsible.
    LK 23:18-23 The people ask, apparently having decided for themselves.

    MT 27:28 Jesus is given a scarlet robe (a sign of infamy).
    MK 15:17, JN 19:2 A purple robe (a sign of royalty).

    MT 27:32, MK 15:21, LK 23:26 Simon of Cyrene carries Jesus' cross.
    JN 19:17 Jesus carries his own cross with no help from anyone.

    MT 27:37 The inscription on the cross read: "This is Jesus the King of the Jews."
    MK 15:26 "The King of the Jews."
    LK 23:38 "This is the King of the Jews."
    JN 19:19 "Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews."

    MT 27:44 Both of those who are crucified with Jesus taunt him.
    LK 23:39-42 Only one taunts Jesus, and he is rebuked by the other for doing so.

    MT 27:46 Jesus asks God, the Father, why he has been forsaken.
    JN 10:30 Jesus says that he and the Father are one.

    MT 27:46-50, MK 15:34-37 Jesus' last recorded words are: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
    LK 23:46 "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit."
    JN 19:30 "It is finished." (Note: Even though both MT and MK represent direct quotes and are translated similarly, the actual Greek words used for God are different. MT uses "Eli" and MK uses "Eloi.")

    MT 27:48, LK 23:36, JN 19:29 Jesus was offered vinegar to drink.
    MK 15:23 It was wine and myrrh, and he did not drink it.
    JN 19:29-30 Whatever it was, he did drink it.

    MT 27:54 The centurion says: "Truly this was the son of God."
    MK 15:39 He says: "Truly this man was the son of God!"
    LK 23:47 He says: "Truly this man was innocent" (or "righteous").

    MT 27:55, MK 15:40, LK 23:49 The women looked on from afar.
    JN 19:25-26 They were near enough that Jesus could speak to his mother.

    MT 27:62-66 A guard was placed at the tomb (the day following the burial).
    MK 15:42- 16:8, LK 23:50-56, JN 19:38-42 (No guard is mentioned. This is important since rumor had it that Jesus' body was stolen and the Resurrection feigned.)
    MK 16:1-3, LK 24:1 (There could not have been a guard, as far as the women were concerned, since they were planning to enter the tomb with spices. Though the women were aware of the stone, they were obviously unaware of a guard.)

    MT 24:9 Even some of the disciples of Jesus will be killed.
    JN 8:51 If anyone keeps Jesus' words, he will never see death.
    HE 9:27 [All] men die once, then judgement follows.

    MT 28:1 The first visitors to the tomb were Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (two).
    MK 16:1 Both of the above plus Salome (three).
    LK 23:55 - 24:1, 24:10 Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and "other women" (at least five).
    JN 20:1 Mary Magdalene only (one).

    MT 28:1 It was toward dawn when they arrived.
    MK 16:2 It was after sunrise.
    LK 24:1 It was at early dawn.
    JN 20:1 It was still dark.

    MT 28:1-2 The stone was still in place when they arrived. It was rolled away later.
    MK 16:4, LK 24:2, JN 20:1 The stone had already been rolled (or taken) away.

    MT 28:2 An angel arrived during an earthquake, rolled back the stone, then sat on it (outside the tomb).
    MK 16:5 No earthquake, only one young man sitting inside the tomb.
    LK 24:2-4 No earthquake. Two men suddenly appear standing inside the tomb.
    JN 20:12 No earthquake. Two angels are sitting inside the tomb.

    MT 28:8 The visitors ran to tell the disciples.
    MK 16:8 They said nothing to anyone.
    LK 24:9 They told the eleven and all the rest.
    JN 20:10-11 The disciples returned home. Mary remained outside, weeping.
     
  9. MrRee

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    MT 28:8-9 Jesus' first Resurrection appearance was fairly near the tomb.
    LK 24:13-15 It was in the vicinity of Emmaus (seven miles from Jerusalem).
    JN 20:13-14 It was right at the tomb.

    MT 28:9 On his first appearance to them, Jesus lets Mary Magdalene and the other Mary hold him by his feet.
    JN 20:17 On his first appearance to Mary, Jesus forbids her to touch him since he has not yet ascended to the Father.
    JN 20:27 A week later, although he has not yet ascended to the Father, Jesus tells Thomas to touch him.

    MT 28:7-10, MT 28:16 Although some doubted, the initial reaction of those that heard the story was one of belief since they followed the revealed instructions.
    MK 16:11, LK 24:11 The initial reaction was one of disbelief. All doubted.

    MT 28:1-18 The order of Resurrection appearances was: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, then the eleven.
    MK 16:9-14 It was Mary Magdalene, then two others, then the eleven.
    LK 24:15-36 It was two, then Simon (Peter?), then the eleven.
    JN 20:14 - 21:1 It was Mary Magdalene, then the disciples without Thomas, then the disciples with Thomas, then the eleven disciples again.
    1CO 15:5-8 It was Cephas (Peter?), then the "twelve" (which twelve, Judas was dead?), then 500+ brethren (although AC 1:15 says there were only about 120), then James, then all the Apostles, then Paul.

    MT 28:19 Jesus instructs his disciples to baptize.
    1CO 1:17 Although he considers himself a disciple of Jesus, Paul says that he has not been sent to baptize.

    MK 1:2 Jesus quotes a statement that he says appears in Isaiah. (No such statement appears in Isaiah.)

    MK 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist.
    JN 3:22-24 Before the arrest of John the Baptist.

    MK 1:23-24 A demon cries out that Jesus is the Holy One of God.
    JN 4:1-2 Everyone who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God. (Note: This would mean that the demon is of God.)

    MK 3:29 Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin.
    AC 13:39, CN 2:13, 1JN 1:9 All sins are forgivable.

    MK 4:11-12, 11:25 Jesus says that he uses parables so that the meaning of some of his teachings will remain secret to at least some persons. He explains the meanings of the parables only to his disciples. He thanks God for hiding some things from the wise while revealing them to "babes."
    JN 18:20 Jesus says that he always taught openly, never secretly.

    MK 6:16 Herod was the source of the belief that John had been raised from the dead.
    LK 9:7 Others were the source. Herod was perplexed by the belief.

    MK 6:52 The people were so unimpressed with "the Feeding of the Multitude" that they did not even understand the event.
    JN 6:14-15 They were so impressed that they tried to force Jesus to be their king.

    MK 6:53 After the feeding of the 5000, Jesus and the disciples went to Gennesaret.
    JN 6:17-25 They went to Capernaum.

    MK 10:19 Jesus lists "defraud not" as one of the commandments.
    EX 20:3-17 There is no such commandment in the Ten Commandments or elsewhere in the OT)

    MK 15:25 It was the third hour when Jesus was crucified.
    JN 19:14-15 It was after the sixth hour since Jesus was still before Pilate and had not yet been sentenced at that time.

    MK 16:1-2 The women came to the tomb to anoint the body.
    JN 19:39-40 The body had already been anointed and wrapped in linen cloth.

    MK 16:5, LK 24:3 The women actually entered the tomb.
    JN 20:1-2, 11 They did not.

    MK 16:14-19 The Ascension took place (presumably from a room) while the disciples were together seated at a table, probably in or near Jerusalem.
    LK 24:50-51 It took place outdoors, after supper, at Bethany (near Jerusalem).
    AC 1:9-12 It took place outdoors, after 40+ days, at Mt. Olivet.
    MT 28:16-20 No mention is made of an ascension, but if it took place at all, it must have been from a mountain in Galilee since MT ends there.)

    LK 1:15 John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit from before his birth or the birth of Jesus.
    LK 1:41 Elizabeth had it long before Jesus went away.
    LK 1:67 So did Zechariah.
    LK 2:25 So did Simeon.
    LK 11:13 It is obtained by prayer (presumably at any time).
    JN 7:39, JN 16:7, AC 1:3-5 The Holy Spirit cannot come into the world until after Jesus has departed.

    LK 8:12 The Devil causes unbelief.
    MK 4:11-12 Jesus is responsible for unbelief in at least some cases.
    2TH 2:11-12 God is ultimately responsible for unbelief in at least some cases.

    LK 14:26 No one can be a disciple of Jesus unless he hates his parents, wife, children, brothers and sisters.
    JN 3:15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer.
    JN 4:20 If anyone claims to love God but hates his brother, he is a liar.

    LK 18:9-14 Do not boast of your virtue.
    RO 11:20, 1PE 5:5 Do not be proud.
    RO 15:17, 2CO 1:12, HE 3:6, 2CO 2:14, 5:12, 11:17 Paul boasts of his faith and says that one should be proud of it.

    LK 22:3-23 Satan entered Judas before the supper.
    JN 13:27 It was during the supper.

    LK 23:43 Jesus promises one of those crucified with him that they will be together, that very day, in Paradise.
    JN 20:17, AC 1:3 Jesus was not raised until the third day and did not ascend until at least forty days later.

    LK 23:55-56 The women followed Joseph to the tomb, saw how the body had been laid, then went to prepare spices with which to annoint the body.
    JN 19:39-40 Joseph brought spices with him (75 or a 100 lbs.) and annointed the body (as the women should have noticed).

    JN 1:1, 10:30 Jesus and God are
     
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    mrREE..BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT A CHRISTIAN IS SUPPOSE TO FOLLOW THE NEW TESTEMENT NOT THE OLD..
     
  11. MrRee

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    Betcha I did!! ;-)
    But Sssshhhhh, be vewy vewy kwiet. We're hunting wabbits!

    Besides, christians invariably use the OT to vaildate the NT by saying that JC fulfills OT prophecy.
     
  12. MrRee

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    Jn 1:1; 10:30 Jesus and God are one.
    JN 14:28 God is greater than Jesus.
    JN 1:1 Jesus was God incarnate.
    AC 2:22 Jesus was a man approved by God.

    JN 3:17, 8:15, 12:47 Jesus does not judge.
    JN 5:22, 5:27-30, 9:39, AC 10:42, 2CO 5:10 Jesus does judge.

    JN 5:22 God does not judge.
    RO 2:2-5, 3:19, 2TH 1:5, 1PE 1:17 God does judge.

    JN 5:24 Believers do not come into judgement.
    MT 12:36, 2CO 5:10, HE 9:27, 1PE 1:17, JU 1:14-15, RE 20:12-13 All persons (including believers) come into judgement.

    JN 5:31 Jesus says that if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is not true.
    JN 8:14 Jesus says that even if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true.

    JN 5:38-47 Men have a choice as to whether or not to receive Jesus.
    JN 6:44 No one can come to Jesus unless he is drawn by the Father.

    JN 7:38 Jesus quotes a statement that he says appears in scripture (i.e., the OT).
    (No such statement is found in the OT.)

    JN 10:27-29 None of Jesus' followers will be lost.
    TI 4:1 Some of them will be lost.

    JN 10:30 Jesus and the Father are one, (i.e., equal).
    JN 14:28 The Father is greater than Jesus.

    JN 12:31 The Devil is the ruler (or "prince") of this world.
    1CO 10:26, RE 1:5 Jesus is the ruler of kings--the earth is his.

    JN 12:32 Jesus implies that all persons will be saved.
    TI 2:3-4, 2PE 3:9 God wants all to be saved.
    JN 12:40, AC 2:21, 2:39, RO 9:27, 10:13 Some will not be saved.
    RE 14:1-4 Heaven will be inhabited by 144,000 virgin men (only?).

    JN 13:36 Peter asks Jesus where he is going.
    JN 14:5 Thomas does the same.
    JN 16:5 Jesus says that none of them have asked him where he is going.

    JN 17:12 Jesus has lost none of his disciples other than Judas.
    JN 18:9 Jesus has lost none, period.

    JN 17:12 Mentions a "son of perdition" as appearing in scripture (meaning the OT).
    (Note: There is no "son of perdition" mentioned in the OT.)

    JN 18:37 Jesus came into the world to bear witness to the truth.
    RO 1:18-20 The truth has always been evident.

    JN 20:9 Jesus quotes a statement that he says appears in scripture (meaning the OT). (No such statement is found in the OT.)

    JN 20:22 In his first resurrection appearance before the assembled disciples, Jesus gives them the Holy Spirit.
    AC 1:3-5, AC 2:1-4 The Holy Spirit was received much later (on Pentecost.)

    JN 21:25 The world probably could not contain the books if all that Jesus did were to be recorded.
    AC 1:1 The author of Acts has already written about all that Jesus began to do.

    AC 5:19, 12:6-11 The disciples take part in a jailbreak made possible by an angel.
    AC 5:40-42 The disciples disobey the Council and continue to teach and preach Jesus.
    RO 13:1-4, 1PE 2:13-15 Obey the laws of men (i.e., government). It is the will of God.

    AC 5:29 Obey God, not men.
    RO 13:1-4, 1PE 2:13-15 Obey the laws of men (i.e., government). It is the will of God.

    AC 9:7 Those present at Paul's conversion heard the voice but saw no one.
    AC 22:9 They saw a light but did not hear a voice.

    AC 9:7 Those present at Paul's conversion stood.
    AC 26:14 They fell to the ground.

    AC 9:19-28 Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Damascus, then Jerusalem where he was introduced to the Apostles by Barnabas, and there spent some time with them (going in and out among them).
    GA 1:15-20 He made the trip three years later, then saw only Peter and James.

    AC 9:23 The governor attempted to seize Paul.
    2CO 11:32 It was the Jews who tried to seize Paul.

    AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
    RO 9:11-13 God hated Esau and loved Jacob even before their birth.

    AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
    RO 9:18 God has mercy on whoever he chooses, etc.

    AC 16:6 The Holy Spirit forbids preaching in Asia.
    AC 19:8-10 Paul preaches in Asia anyway.

    AC 20:35 Quotes Jesus as having said: "It is more blessed to give than to receive." (No such statement of Jesus is found elsewhere in the Bible.)

    RO 2:12 All who have sinned without the law will perish without the law.
    RO 4:15 Where there is no law there is no transgression (sin).

    RO 2:13 Doers of the law will be justified.
    RO 3:20, GA 3:11 They will not be justified.

    RO 2:15 The law is written on the heart. Conscience teaches right from wrong.
    1JN 2:27 Anointing by Jesus teaches right from wrong.

    RO 4:9 Faith was reckoned to Abraham as righteousness.
    JA 2:21 Abraham was justified by works (which made his faith perfect).

    RO 10:11 (An alleged OT quote; no such statement in the OT.)
     
  13. Kris?

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    Question, Did you find these yourself or did you copy from another site? Also many strong atheist became christian becaues in their attempt to disprove the bible the end up beliving in it. Not to mention i looked into some of those you posted.....and they are so off base with each other....Take the time to read into those and you'll realize its just a bunch of attempts to disprove something that someone has no bussiness in attempting to disprove :p
     
  14. Kris?

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    RO 10:11 (An alleged OT quote; no such statement in the OT.) dude its in Isaiah 28:16. Just to show how some of those are pure bull crap on your end ;) see the "inconsitencies" you claim there is...Is someone not reading the text with their eyes open...the last bit of verse 16 in Isaiah says "The one who trusts will neber be dismayed" look into the orignal meaning of the text....Ashamed and Dismayed can easily say the same thing.

    *Dismayed accroding to webster.com*
    : to deprive of courage, resolution, and initiative through the pressure of sudden fear or anxiety or great perplexity

    *ashmed according to webster.com*
    : restrained by anticipation of shame

    Restrained in a non-physical sense is fear or any other things along those lines.

    Using the dictonary and your head shows how most of those are random things put together and they were never really looked into...Now I'm going to trust you to look in to these and see how many of them are really missintreprted and not "inconsitencies"
     
  15. MrRee

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    Read between the lines" Dosen't mean "Add your own text"
     
  16. Kris?

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    wow you used my sig to make pointless come back :)
     
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    RO 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor anything that might cause your brother to stumble or be offended.
    CN 2:16 Let no one pass judgement on you in matters of food and drink.

    1CO 7:8-9 Widows should not marry (although it is better to marry than burn).
    TI 5:14 Young widows should marry, bear children, rule the household, etc..

    1CO 8:4 There is only one God.
    2CO 4:4 Satan is God of this world (therefore there are at least two gods).

    1CO 10:33 Paul says that he tries to please men (so they might be saved).
    GA 1:10 Paul says he would not be a servant of Christ if he tried to please men.

    2CO 12:16 Paul says that he does use trickery.
    1TH 2:3 Paul says that he does not use trickery.

    GA 6:2 Bear one anothers burdens.
    GA 6:5 Bear your own burden.

    1TH 2:2 God gave Paul the courage to continue his work.
    1TH 2:17-18 Satan hindered Paul.
    (Note: Who is stronger, Satan or God?)

    TI 1:15 Paul says that he is the foremost of sinners.
    JN 3:8-10 He who commits sin is of the Devil. Children of God do not sin.

    TI 6:20, 2TI 2:14-16, 3:1-7 Do not argue with an unbeliever.
    2JN 1:10-11 Anyone who even greets an unbeliever shares his wicked work.
    1PE 3:15 Always be ready to answer any man concerning your faith.

    JA 4:5 (Quotes an alleged scripture (OT) verse; not found in the OT.)

    RE 8:7 All of the grass on earth is burned up, and then ...
    REV 9:4 An army of locusts, which is about to be turned loose on the earth, is instructed not to harm the grass.
     
  18. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    No way dude. You mean there are contradictions in the bible? Ha. God's hilarious.
     
  19. Kris?

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    Still haven't answerd my question. Did you find these? Or did you copy them from a site?
     
  20. MrRee

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    Except in casess such as these ~ [​IMG]

    I believe the answer is quite apparrent from the initial posting.
     

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