Bible Questions?

Seems rich enough to me. You are just more accustomed to beef than goat.

 

so you're saying all the verses quoted from the Bible about Sons of God are not factual ? translation/scribal error ?

 

They only count if they fit his chosen world view, didn't you know that?

 

No, I'm saying I don't believe you are reading my posts.

 

Trolling.

 

i don't believe you are reading the Bible or anything else, you write to yourself and justify to yourself

come on, say something ...what are the other sons of God doing in the Bible ? and yet, you say there was only one begotten

unless, you wanna dodge this one too

 

"you wanna dodge this one too"? No, I'll answer it again, unlike you, I actually answer the questions asked, even the simple ones, about my faith.

The Hebrew word ben and the Greek word hui·os′, both meaning “son,” are often used in a sense broader than merely to designate one’s immediate male offspring. “Son” may mean adopted son (Ex 2:10; Joh 1:45), a descendant such as a grandson or great-grandson (Ex 1:7; 2Ch 35:14; Jer 35:16; Mt 12:23), or a son-in-law.—Compare 1Ch 3:17 and Lu 3:27 (Shealtiel was evidently the son of Jeconiah and the son-in-law of Neri); Lu 3:23, “Joseph, son of Heli,” evidently the son-in-law (in this phrase hui·os′, “son,” does not appear in the Greek text, but is understood).

Men were often identified or distinguished by their father’s name or that of a more distant forefather, as, (David) “the son of Jesse.” (1Sa 22:7, 9) The Hebrew and Aramaic words ben and bar, “son,” were frequently attached as prefixes to the father’s name, giving the son a surname, as Bar-Jesus (meaning “Son of Jesus”). (Ac 13:6) Some versions leave the prefix untranslated; others translate it in most cases; some give the translation in the margin. Or the prefix may be attached to the name because of the circumstances surrounding the birth of the child, as Ben-ammi, meaning “Son of My People [that is, relatives],” and not the son of foreigners; or Ben-oni, meaning “Son of My Mourning,” Benjamin being so named by his dying mother Rachel.—Ge 19:38; 35:18.

Additionally, the word “sons” frequently serves a descriptive purpose, as: Orientals (literally, “sons of the East” [1Ki 4:30; Job 1:3, ftn]); “anointed ones” (literally, “sons of the oil” [Zec 4:14, ftn]); members (“sons”) of occupational classes, as, “sons of the prophets” (1Ki 20:35) or, “a member [“son”] of the ointment mixers” (Ne 3:8); returned exiles (“sons of the Exile”) (Ezr 10:7, 16, ftn); good-for-nothing men, scoundrels (“sons of belial”) (Jg 19:22, ftn). Those who pursue a certain course of conduct, or who manifest a certain characteristic, are designated by such expressions as “sons of the Most High,” “sons of light and sons of day,” “sons of the kingdom,” “sons of the wicked one,” “son of the Devil,” “sons of disobedience.” (Lu 6:35; 1Th 5:5; Mt 13:38; Ac 13:10; Eph 2:2) So, too, with the judgment or outcome that corresponds to the characteristic, as, “a subject for Gehenna” (literally, a son of Gehenna); “the son of destruction.” (Mt 23:15; Joh 17:12; 2Th 2:3) Isaiah, who prophesied God’s chastisement of Israel called the nation “my threshed ones and the son of my threshing floor.”—Isa 21:10.

Angels, created by God, are sons of God. (Job 1:6; 38:7) Adam as a creation of God was a son of God. (Lu 3:38) Those judges and rulers in Israel against whom God’s word came were called “sons of the Most High,” doubtless because they held office in Israel as representing the divine rule, though they had transgressed. (Ps 82:6) Those whom God selects to be joint heirs with his Son Jesus Christ are called “God’s sons.”—Ro 8:14-17.

So you see the word son can be used many ways sometimes metaphorically and sometimes even literally.

Jesus is unique in that he is the only "man" described as having a pre-human existence, as God's only begotten son, the first born of all creation and as the Son of God.

 

What about the phrase, no one ascends who has not first descended?

 

John 3:13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.

It is additional proof that Jesus had at one time been in heaven and is the first "man" to ascend into heaven.

 

as usual too much blah and very less substance. i didn't really need a lesson on what 'ben' means (or how many times it is mentioned in the Bible), its the same in arabic!

now explain the two firstborns of God, how can you have two firstborns ..its not the twin-phenomena either as they are some time apart. and if David was also begotten as it says in the Bible (no ben this time) then there are two begottens

Exodus 4:22: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn."
Jeremiah 31:9: "...and Ephraim is my firstborn
Psalm 2:7, the Lord said to David:
"...Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee."

quote for me the verses which talk about Jesus being begotten, will you. the bit i've bolded in your quote talks not about begettings, but ben'nings

 

and quote a verse that sounds like it's from God ..(i know you say all of the Bible is inspired etc, but just for getting the begetting story right)

example: I will raise them up a prophet . . . and I will put my words in ... and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." (Deuteronomy 18:18)

 

Sometimes I wish people would actually read the verse in context before they try to show that it says something it doesn't.

Neither of these two Scriptures Exodus 4:22 and
Jeremiah 31:9 is talking about a person person being a firstborn. They are talking about the nation of Israel and the tribe of Ephraim and they are firstborns in the sense of having been in a death like condition God was going to "resurrect" them back to life and prominence thus making them "born again" like firstborn sons.

As for Psalm 2:7 I'm sure where you got the "the Lord said to David" but that phrase does not appear in the 2nd Psalm and in fact the 2nd Psalm is talking about Jesus and at Psalm 2:7 God becomes Jesus father in a new way, in the fact that Jesus becomes the firstborn of the dead in the fact that God resurrects him and he is the first to be resurrected.

(Matthew 1:20) . . .Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a dream, saying: “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife home, for that which has been begotten in her is by holy spirit.
(John 1:14) 14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth.
(John 1:17-18) 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.

Don't get too bunchy about Jesus being called a god here, god means a mighty one and Jesus was that, he just isn't the almighty one or The God.

(John 3:16) 16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
(John 3:18) . . .He that does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.
(Hebrews 11:17) 17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, as good as offered up Isaac, and the man that had gladly received the promises attempted to offer up [his] only-begotten [son],

I added this one because Abraham prophetically pictured what God was going to do with his only-begotten Son.

(1 John 4:9-10) 9 By this the love of God was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world that we might gain life through him. 10 The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent forth his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.

 

It's interesting that you should mention Deuerteronomy 18:18 because it is talking about Jesus but anyway, in my above post I've mentioned all the posts that speak about Jesus being begotten and unless you want to count the one where God's angel says that God's Holy Spirit has begotten the child Jesus that is in Mary, then no there is no direct quote that God says that Jesus is his only-begotten Son.

But God does say this: Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” (Matthew 3:17)

 

i gotta do this one first ...

looooooooooooooooooool and lmao

 

"Sometimes I wish people would actually read the verse in context before they try to interpret it into something it doesn't say."

what ??! no end to your interpretation of events, its like you get 'inspired' for them

really !!

7 “I will declare the decree:
The LORD has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.

Psalms is all about David, 26 generations (according to Mathew 1:6-16) or 41 generations (according to Luke 3:23-31) before Jesus. So what, if your publishers/inspired editors have written "Messiah's triumph and kingdom" as an intro. and if it is about Jesus, what kingdom ??

actually i wont bother with any of the above, like i said ..its more of a he-said story than it'd appear as a command of the Lord or words from Jesus himself

and you know that because you got inspired, had a dream in which Jehovah's angel let you in on it, Abraham told this to someone about God begetting a son ? or was he in the heavens too before the worlds were put together by God

who is the author talking about as we ? these 'verses' too, not from the Lord or from Jesus

take the example i gave you, find one

 

for all the ben write-up you did, for Adam, Seth, Israel, Moses, David etc ...Jesus can't be one of them ? he has to be begotten! when there's nothing of that sort, from the Lord or Jesus himself

 

Numbers

24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

How much can a Unicorn bench press?

 

The heart of the unicorn!!!!!!

 

450-500lbs (hind legs)

 

Perhaps 600 talents or 180,000 shekels worth of weight may have been more appropriate metric. Thanks.