Bible Questions?

Discussion in 'Sanctuary' started by OlderWaterBrother, May 17, 2009.

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  1. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    God gave up some of his power so we can make our own decisions. You portray God and a power hungry dictator. The fact that we have freewill contradicts this view.;)
     
  2. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    Peter seems to think it's wrong so yes I think God would think it's wrong.

    As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26But Peter made him get up. "Stand up," he said, "I am only a man myself." Acts 10:24.


    Would you agree that God the Father dwelt in Jesus? Timothy 3:16 says that "God manifested in the flesh". How would you interpret this verse?

    Doesn't the Bible say that we should worship God alone? Wouldn't worshiping Jesus violate this command if he is not infact part of and one with God?
     
  3. sathead

    sathead Banned

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    Could Jesus-like exist for a soldier, or indeed a police officer? It arguably seemed that He asked you to die with him (go on living with the freedom of satan you would need to reject for and with God in heaven). I once raised this question over the issue of specifically body-guards. However, I take reservation with that one for the death risk his livelihood depends on.
     
  4. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Jesus never took nor required a defensive position.
     
  5. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    There is always Jesus and the Centurion :D
     
  6. sathead

    sathead Banned

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    The Centurian was a legal job, and Jesus Christ was called to action beyond the situation. However, again, we may be in a situation Called to because we turned the cheek, we felt the sting of injustice. Was there eternity for the moment to overcome our failures or successes? Or was there the temporary disagreement of Demons? Desire makes it's own definitions for DESIRE per being oneself: is it me for the situation, OR is it me for the individuation (diremption of Self outside self)?
     
  7. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    You know the mind of god almost as well as OWB.


    The authors of the bible portray him that way, not just me.


    I would say it's more evidence towards the non exitence of a divine creator.
     
  8. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Christ overturns the situation.
    Time enough to end time.
     
  9. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    Thanks.:)

    You have to look at the Bible as a whole to get a better picture of it's portrayal of God.

    Why would God giving up some power prove his nonexistence? To me it shows he's not what you think he is.
     
  10. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    What passage have you read that I have not?

    So your claiming god is not omnipotent now?
     
  11. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    Are you assuming I'm a telepath?

    Can an infinite God have limits?
     
  12. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    You stated that I needed to take the bible as a whole to ignore the racist homophobic and mass murdering god that is at the center of it, I took it to mean that you believed that I had not read the entire book, my bad.



    Whats the definition of infinite, omnipotent, omniscience or any of the other grandiose terms often used to describe the god of the bible.
     
  13. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I think you're on to something, yes that would mean that we could not have free will, choice. So either God takes away our choice or sometimes he has to fix things after they happen. That is what he is doning fixing something that has already happened. :D
     
  14. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Only trouble, hell is not hot. ;)
     
  15. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    (Romans 13:6-7) ...Render to all their dues, to him who [calls for] the tax, the tax; to him who [calls for] the tribute, the tribute; to him who [calls for] fear, such fear; to him who [calls for] honor, such honor.

    When Cornelius fell at Peter's feet Peter felt that Cornelius was not rendering to him due honor but was rendering him reverence that was only due to God.
    I guess it would depend on what you mean by dwelt but No.
    There seems to be some dispute over whether the original language word used here is he or God. Here is how various Bible translations render it:
    He
    NIV, ESV, NASB, ISV, GWT, ASV, BIBE, ERV
    God
    KJV, AKJV, DBT, WBT, WEB, YLT
    Christ
    NLT, WNT
    (http://bible.cc/1_timothy/3-16.htm)

    So I would say it's not talking about God being manifested in the flesh but Jesus manifested in the flesh.
    Yes, Jesus himself says that but you must understand that most Hebrew and Greek words that can denote worship can also be applied to acts other than worship and it is the context determines in what way the respective words are to be understood. The case in point is when Jesus is asked by Satan to worship him and thus such worship is due to God only.
     
  16. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Omnipotent means all powerful. But being omnipotent does that mean that God has to use all his power every time he uses power or can he just use some or part of that power for smaller tasks?

    Likewise omniscience, which means all knowing. Although God may have the ability to know everything does that mean he is forced to use that ability to its full or can he just use part of it or restrict his knowledge in certain areas?
     
  17. TipsyGypsy

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    No, I still don't agee.

    Again, for example, the earthquake. What better choices could those people have made? It's all good God trying to fix it now, but no, he decided to let it happen and hurt thousands, when it may not have been them who have being making the wrong decisions.

    Why do this to an entire population, when it was never the entire population who made the wrong choices?

    Not a very just God.
     
  18. thedope

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    All and part are two different orders. All powerful and less power are not at all the same creature. Less powerful = vulnerable. God cannot be what God is not.
    God makes no "attempts", God is not mocked.
    There is no order of difficulty, there is what is real and what is imagined.
     
  19. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    If it has restricted knowledge from itself it would not be omniscience because it would not be all knowing.

    You can't have it both ways.
     
  20. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Perhaps it depends on what it 'all knows'.
     
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