Bible Questions?

I retracted nothing, as I said, I was talking about now things are inherited, not disease.

Animals were not created to live forever.

Or perhaps not.

I didn't say age, I said grow old.

If humans are to live forever, it is only reasonable to assume that at some point aging will be suspended and we will not start to degenerate as we do now or else after a few billions years we would be in pretty bad shape.

You can believe anything you want but but this Thread is discussing the Bible and the Bible says sin is a reality.

If they asked, yes I would. If a child asked why people die, I would say because of inherited sin.

If immortality is an option, yes I would like to live forever. Why not, I'm not a member of a death cult, are you?

 

Homo Sapiens are a primate, in other words humans are animals

What is considered old to you?

Again with the immortality, in case you haven't noticed humans do not nor have they ever lived forever...

Why put so much trust into the bible, why not a koran it also conveintly promises immortality to the faithful, come to think about it thats the only selling point to any religion is necrotic bribery...

Thats a sure way to put a mind fuck on the kid

My mistake I thought that you had claimed after the death of your current body you would be blessed with a much more fullfilling life in death

 

If you wish to look at it like that, fine but Humans were created in God's image other "animals" were not.

At this point, I would say 62 is old.

And that means they can't or won't? It just means it hasn't happened yet.

What the Holy Literature promises is not the reason to trust it. The reason to trust it is whether that literature is trustworthy and as has been pointed out to you many times, the Bible has been proven more trustworthy than any other Holy Literature.

How so? What are you going to tell him? You're going grow old and die and there's nothing you can do about it? Like that's going to be real comforting.

You must have missed all the many times that I've said; millions now living will never see death at all but will live right though the end of this system of things into the Paradise Earth that will replace this system of things and they will then live forever on the Paradise Earth, along with those who are resurrected from the dead.

 

Have you looked into the way that Allah got Muhammad to recite the Qu'ran to the point of strangulation... ?

 

I wouldn't, advancement in age is a good thing in my opinion, Adam supposedly lived to be over 900 when he hit 62 he probably would not have even cared.

How has it been proven more trustworhty that the other monotheism's?

I must have been asleep when this was pointed out.

I would tell him the truth, not a fairy tale that offers empty promises.

Another sign from religion that should put one on edge, the fact that it attemps to give comfort in death, as i've said before, death cult.

Your not making prophesies of Armageddon again are you?

Have you talked with the wondering jew lately or something?

 

Well if this system goes on long enough for you to be 62 you can tell me whether it feels old or not. Personally, at 62 I feel like I've just started to live but that is not my body is telling me.

Yep, probably so. That's probably why I have to re-answer all your questions a dozen times.

You would tell him what you believe is the truth, which is the real fairy tale.

Comfort in death? Are you listening at all? There is no comfort is death, unless your life is so miserable that that you feel nothingness is better than living another day.

All the prophesies of Armageddon have already been made, I'm just letting you know what they are.

Have you?

 

How many doomsday prophecies have come and passed throughout history?

Let me guess, you think the shits going to hit the fan in 2012?

Viagra can fix that

What questions have you answered, more like state your opinion me thinks.

I would tell him that there is no evidence for life after death or for any resserection beyond an hour, probably less...

Have I been mistaken, I thought you had said all humans after death are simply on cold storage until a delluded preacher comes to escort them to paradise?

So it can be said that your eagerly waiting for the end of the world, I can see you taking stock in that...

Are you familiar with the story of the supposed wandering Jew?

 

Who knows?

It will happen when God says it is time but God did give us signs so we can know when it's near and most of the signs have happened so the end of this system is near.

That's not one of the things I have a problem with.

If that's what you want to think.

Well, you have always so far seemed to ignore the evidence.

Death is exactly that, nothingness.

I don't know who you are referring to as a deluded preacher but it is God who resurrects those who are dead.

Yes, I eagerly await the end of this system of things.

Vaguely, since it is not Bible based, I have not looked into it.

 

How many were based on the christian Apocalypse?

Can you give instances of these signs that have come and passed?

I would not ignore evidence of life after death...

Until you are resserected you mean?

I thought it was Benny Hinn

How can this not be looked at as cynical?

Matthew 16:28:

'Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.'

 

:rofl:

I'm sorry but the conversation between you two is enjoyable to read

 

I try to be entertaining as well as informative.

 

How should I know? The people that blame the Bible for everything or twist the scriptures for their own purposes are legion.

The entire chapters of Matt. 24 and 25 are signs of the end times. There are more when you are done with those.

You all ready do.

Yes.

Nope.

Cynical? Knowing that better times are ahead and wanting them to come is cynical? I must say you seem to have funny idea of what cynical is.

This is speaking to the fact that some of the disciples standing there would soon witness the transfiguration.

 

Who's to say your not part of the legion?

Not only do you ostricize all other religions and offhandedly call them absurd but you also insist that most christians are indeed worshipping the wrong god, wheres your proof?

My bad, I thought you had said that the signs had come and passed...

According to you belief in the credulous equels enterance into immortality, you have never offered any evidence for life after death or the resserection

No, claiming this life is shit and greater things await after the destruction of this world is cynical

You claim to want the world to end, and look at it as a good thing, you go on to state that all other christians who had predicted the apacolypse withen there lifetimes were legion while you of course must be right in claiming to have the knowledge of armageddon.

Serioulsy?

Who were they?

 

The Bible.

Almost everything in Matt. 24 & 25 has.

So you say.

I've never claimed "this life is shit", in fact that sounds like something you would say. Yes, greater things do await the end of this system of things and it is not in anyway cynical to want things to get better.

True Christians do not predict Armageddon but look to the signs that tell when it's near. Jesus himself said when you see ALL these things start to occur the end is near. There is just not much that has not already occurred.

As for wanting this system to end, are you saying that it's a bad thing to want the end of oppression, hunger, death, war and etc?

Yes, seriously.

Peter, James and John

 

Odd, I'm sure Jim Jones would have said the same thing.

Modern day example please?

"The end of this system of things," why can't you just say the end of this world?

Whats the diffrence between that and prediction?

Let me guess all the supernatural out of the ordinary things have not occured yet...

If by ending it you mean death yes I do, I also think it's funny how you claim death will end after everyone on Earth has been killed by your god.

I heard Peter was out of the band.

 

Maybe but then he said a lot of things that had no Bible backing.

WWI and WWII

I would but you would probably mistake that to mean the Earth being destroyed and that is just not the case.

Prediction would be what the Bible says will happen and the signs of when it will happen. Christians today are not coming up with new signs and new things happening but are just calling attention to what has already been said on the matter.

Not unless you want to call the cry of "peace and security" and the nations turning against all religion and trying to wipe religion off the face of the Earth supernatural.

Where did you come up with this? I know I never said anything like this.

Peter, James and John, all witnessed the transfiguration. I don't know what you are talking about.

 

I'm sure his followers thought quite diffrently.

More details please?

You argue semantics, when you speak of an end of this system of things do you not mean an end to the way of life as we know it and the beginning of a supernatural totalitarian dictatorship,you would have made an exellent North Korean...

So you are admitting that the bible does dwell in prophecy and prediction.

The Branch Dravidian's did not fabricate new things from the bible, when the ATF burned them alive they were sure it was a fiery Armageddon, as is probably the case in most doomsday cults, self fulfilling prophecy...

I wouldn't, by the way how do you deduce that all nations are attempting to wipe religion off the face of the Earth?

You speak of the supposed apostles in the same way a teenage girl would have spoke of the beetles in the 50's-60's.

 

I'm sure you're right, to bad they didn't just look it up for them selves.

(Matthew 24:4-5) And in answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads YOU; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.

If I remember, that is what Jones was telling those people, that he was the returned Christ.

Also notice that Scripture is from Matt. 24 and is one of the signs of the end.

(Matthew 24:6-8) . . .YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet. “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.

It is interesting to note that WWI and WWII were not just wars or reports of wars but war on a whole new level. That is why they were called World Wars, because for the first time the whole world was involved. Not only that but not just soldiers were involved but whole nations were asked to be involved. Whole nations and kingdom were asked to convert to a war time economy, to start manufacturing only war machinery and give up personal things for the war effort and lend any money they had to that effort.

Perhaps, but as far as I know Kim Jong-il has not provided a good life for his subjects nor has he ended hunger, poverty or death in his country.

Once again, you keep thinking that this way of life is something to hold on to. What are the chances that war, crime, killing, hunger, disease and death will be done away with any time in your lifetime or your children's lifetime, if this "way of life" continues?

And yet this Theocracy, that scares you so much, will do all that and more.

I don't know about dwelling but the Bible is a book of prophecy.

How do you know what they fabricated or not? But if they thought that their being burned alive was Armageddon, they sure got that backwards.

Perhaps not as we speak but the nations turning against religion is the last prophecy fulfilled before the end comes. God will allow all other religions to be destroyed but will not allow true worship to be wiped from the face of the Earth and will step in and stop it. So when the nations turn against all religion and try to destroy them, don't be too happy, just remember the bumpy ride has just begun.

Thanks, I missed the reference and it was actually quite funny.

 

Just as a side note to this, the Bible does not say what triggers this attack. So there is some speculation as to the trigger among Christians.

Interestingly, you, yourself have quite eloquently stated a case for the removal of all religion.

With the exception of true worship, all religions have meddled in politics and have been a major player in all the major wars of the century and now is behind almost all the terrorism attacks of resent times.

Many feel that terrorism will be the major reason for the attack but I feel that a major factor will be economic collapse. That the world will be on the verge of the loss of civilization and need money to prop it up and will look for easy money and false religion has a major amount of the world's wealth locked up behind closed doors. The nations will probably say that it's to remove the terrorism but will gladly plunder the churches for their wealth.

 

That's a very interesting theory, makes sense.

I have seen laws being written that seeks to outlaw belief while holding firm that they aren't attacking the believer, just the BELIEF. Crazy stuff.