Bible Questions?

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  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes and ....
    Do you really believe that is all that is needed?
    Do you deny the words of Jesus that I quoted?
    Those very words of Jesus seem to say more is needed.
    Also, didn't James say faith without works is dead?

    Yes, we should exert ourselves out of compassion.

    As for, trusting that Jesus' sacrifice itself was enough for our salvation? I think I'll trust what Jesus himself said on the matter and continue to exert myself vigorously to get in through the narrow door.
     
  2. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    Yes, I believe Christ's sacrafice was enough considering it was perfect.

    No, but what is the narrow gate?

    John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.

    Christ saves not our exertion.

    There will always be more that is needed if we depend on our own works(filthy rags) for salvation.

    Issiah 64:6

    All of us have become like one who is unclean,
    and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
    we all shrivel up like a leaf,
    and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

    Yes, but works as a result of God's free gift of grace not works to save ourselves which is futile.

    I think I'll trust in Christ alone who is the narrow door and exert myself for the sake of others.
     
  3. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    You are correct that our own sorting out does not matter.
    This passage points to the futile nature of "struggling" with sin.

    Because you say you see, your sin remains.

    Judgment creates a colored background against which we view the world, thereby distorting the exact hue of reality.
    Imagine judgment a yellow background.
    Make "Gods' mark" blue.
    That blue mark against the yellow background appears to us as green, not blue. We react quite naturally to the mark as though it were green although in fact it is blue, and we wonder why it is we cannot seem to keep from falling down no matter how earnest we are.
    Take time out from judgment. Be still and know that I am God.
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes, Christ's sacrifice was perfect because it accomplished what Jesus was sent to do, not because it relieves us from our having to exert ourselves.
    Yes, Jesus is the Gate, but again you are ignoring the fact that Jesus said you must exert your self to get through that gate.
    This is talking about the state the ancient Israelites had fallen into, that they had sinned against God to the point that even their righteous acts are like filthy rags, meaningless to God and applies to those who call themselves Christian and fall into the same bad habits of those ancient Israelites.
    Without God's free gift, no one can be saved, no one is denying that but Jesus says that we must exert ourselves to take advantage of that gift, if we do not, the gift will be of no value to us and will not save us.
    So you'll trust in Christ and ignore him when he says to exert vigorously yourself to get in through the narrow door. Interesting. ;)
     
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    def zeppelin All connected

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  6. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    If we have faith in Christ and allow this faith to be shown by serving others haven't we already entered the narrow gate?

    If the gift is Christ himself and we allow him to work through us why would we need to work hard to enter through him:confused:
     
  7. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    How could Thomas touch him then? How could he hold bread?

    What happened to Christ's physical-ness then?
     
  8. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Spirit creatures have the ability to materialize fleshly bodies when on Earth, except for the wicked Angels whom God has removed that ability but Jesus is now in Heaven where there is no need for them.
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Perhaps we have already entered the narrow gate but please notice that would only be the beginning, we would still be on the cramped road leading off into life:
    whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.. . .(Matthew 7:14)

    Also please notice that we are not yet saved because:
    And YOU will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name; but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.(Matthew 10:22)

    So we must exert ourselves vigorously on that cramped road and endure to the end if we wish to be saved.
     
  10. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    What about these verses?

    Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith

    Titus 3:5: "not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit. . . . "

    John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life

    If our salvation ultimately depends on our vigor isn't that something we could boast about? If we are the branches and Christ is the vine then isn't the fruit we produce and the vigor we show simply us allowing him to work through us? In the end we can't really take credit for anything. I really think that's the key, because it confirms our connection to him.

    Phil 2:13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
     
  11. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Do ghosts or angels ever use there "fleshly" bodies to have sex with humans?
     
  12. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    If god is all knowing why does he ask himself if he should attempt to hide his plans for yet another mass murder from Abraham, why does he care in the first place if Abraham would agree with him?

    Genesis

    18:17 And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
     
  13. thedope

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    What is your idea of exertion, what does it look like?
    Might you be ignoring the fact that my yoke is easy and my burden light.
    The narrow door is simply this. The singular focus of vigilance for the kingdom of God. It is undivided attention. Uninterrupted wakefulness.
     
  14. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Pure medieval superstition.
     
  15. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Do you take on mythical proportions and have sex with Gods?
    This discourse is looking like a codependent obsession.
     
  16. honeyfugle

    honeyfugle pumpkin

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    :rofl:
    You crack me up!
     
  17. Sweetleaf63

    Sweetleaf63 Senior Member

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    Its simple the bible is full of crap..
     
  18. honeyfugle

    honeyfugle pumpkin

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    :rolleyes: Is that the smartest thing you can come up with?

    Besides you are in a Christian-only forum. You don't like it, don't come here.
     
  19. JusSumguy

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    Please elucidate.

    Is there a particular point you wish to make/dispute?


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  20. Sweetleaf63

    Sweetleaf63 Senior Member

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    You want to dispute about a book that is full of shit? no thanks.
     
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