Bible Questions?

Well what is your definition of the bibles interpretation of charity?

Are you really unable to define charity on your own, do you really need a tawdry book subjecting you to bronze aged reasoning to make a simple statement?

You have no more evidence of the tooth fairy than you do of any type of total truth.

Why not just answer the question, why dog the conversation down in interpreted subjective metaphors?

I have my theories as to why...

 

The Bible no where uses the word "charity". The word sometimes translated as "charity" is ἀγάπη; agape ag-ah'-pay from 25; love, i.e. affection or benevolence; specially (plural) a love-feast:--(feast of) charity(-ably), dear, love.

I would say that this is an "act of "charity" committed by a follower of religion that could not also be commited by a non believer":
The Christian is under obligation to love his enemies, that is, those who make themselves personal enemies. Such love (a·ga′pe) is not sentimentality, based on mere personal attachment, as is usually thought of, but is a moral or social love based on deliberate assent of the will as a matter of principle, duty, and propriety, sincerely seeking the other’s good according to what is right. A·ga′pe (love) transcends personal enmities, never allowing these to cause one to abandon right principles and to retaliate in kind. As to those who oppose his Christian course and persecute him, doing so in ignorance, the servant of God will even pray for such that their eyes might be opened to see the truth concerning God and His purposes.—Mt 5:44.

I very seldom ever use the word charity and so no, a definition of the word charity does not automatically spring to mind. What does spring to mind is organizations that try and weasel money out of people on a regular basis. So I would have to turn to the book you call; "a tawdry book subjecting you to bronze aged reasoning", although I'm unsure why you would call a dictionary such.

I do not believe in the tooth fairy, so why would I need to have evidence of it? But then maybe in your haste you just got it backwards.

I did answer this question or perhaps in you hurry to be "rude", you forgot to actually read my answer, so here it is again for your perusal; falling away from the truth would be one immoral act that could only be done by a true believer.

If they are more of this type of claptrap, please keep them to your self.

PS Please remember this is the Sanctuary forum and not the Christianity forum.

 

The Bible, no where uses the word "charity", so your question is meaningless.

The word sometimes translated as "charity" is ἀγάπη; agape ag-ah'-pay from 25; love, i.e. affection or benevolence; specially (plural) a love-feast:--(feast of) charity(-ably), dear, love.

I would say that this is an "act of "charity" committed by a follower of religion that could not also be commited by a non believer":
The Christian is under obligation to love his enemies, that is, those who make themselves personal enemies. Such love (a·ga′pe) is not sentimentality, based on mere personal attachment, as is usually thought of, but is a moral or social love based on deliberate assent of the will as a matter of principle, duty, and propriety, sincerely seeking the other’s good according to what is right. A·ga′pe (love) transcends personal enmities, never allowing these to cause one to abandon right principles and to retaliate in kind. As to those who oppose his Christian course and persecute him, doing so in ignorance, the servant of God will even pray for such that their eyes might be opened to see the truth concerning God and His purposes.—Mt 5:44.

I very seldom ever use the word charity and so no, a definition of the word charity does not automatically spring to mind. What does spring to mind is organizations that try and weasel money out of people on a regular basis. So I would have to turn to the book you call; "a tawdry book subjecting you to bronze aged reasoning", although I'm unsure why you would call a dictionary such.

I do not believe in the tooth fairy, so why would I need to have evidence of it? But then maybe in your haste you just got it backwards.

I did answer this question or perhaps in your hurry to be "rude", you forgot to actually read my answer, so here it is again for your perusal; falling away from the truth would be one immoral act that could only be done by a true believer.

If they are more of this type of claptrap, please keep them to your self.

PS Please remember this is the Sanctuary forum and not the Christianity forum.

 

So your answer to the question what is something a person of faith could do in good will or charity that a non believer could not is love?

Wow man thats deep, way off mark and borderline offensive but hey it's your opinion.


Moving on, what is the generalized interpritation of the following passage?


Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

 

This isn't a game. It's either God or the beast. If one chooses the beast, they die. ETERNALLY.

In the old testament God dealt with sin like that. If it's a sinful city, then they all die. He did this throughout the OT.

That's the whole thing about why everybody is so excited by the new testament. This represents a new beginning where each man is individually responsible for their own soul.

In the old testament a seventh son would still be paying for the sins of a long dead great, great... grandfather. When Jesus came onto the scene most all those old laws were banished.

Jesus gave us that direct link with God individually.

Why was he so tough on folks thousands of years ago? You tell me.

Maybe he was still young and full of anger. Of maybe he had just stubbed his toe. Or maybe they were complete hardheaded idiots. I don't trouble myself with those things anymore.

None of those things have any bearing on Christianity which conveniently
aligns itself with the NT and JESUS.

Maybe you could READ THE BIBLE and give us a generalized interpretation.

Interpretation doesn't mean opinion now. Unless it's based on facts. You will actually have to read the verses your talking about IN CONTEXT to do that.

If you're up to the challenge it means you can't cherry pick verses out of context anymore.

If you're not up to it, then we'll know you're not serious. Just messin about.

I'll be praying for you...


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So you say discredit the old testament because god was on the rag throughout it and still had some kinks to sort out, fine but I would think mistakes would be a rarity for something Omnipotent.

But we are in agreement that the bible gives instructions as to the buying and selling of other human beings correct?

 

Tell me please, what rules the nations that surrounded the nation of Israel used in dealing with slaves, their children or the losers in war.

 

Tell me what was the war over to begin with?

 

Differing theologies...

Again, not Gods doing. Man's machinations.

Like I said before Rudy. Please give this thought a bit of credence....

Your problem is with religion, not God. I share many of these same reservations. But I'm able to separate idiot men and their need to be evil...............From God.

Because someone says "In the name of God I kill you" does not put God in that position. Yet, unfortunately, it does give some folks reason to avoid God.

This is truly sad, as God would really wish the opposite could be plainly seen. This is a cloud, for sure. But we can see through it, if one approaches it without fear and anger.

Fear and anger come from satan. Not God. So it would be counterproductive to bring this aspect into a session. In fact, satan would love that.


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Rudy, I think the problem that many have with understanding the Bible is "context".

Have you ever said something with the best of intentions, only to find out that it could be taken two ways and the person you said it to, has taken it the wrong way. They have failed to take it in “context”. They failed to realize that a “friend” said it to them and that a “friend” would never try to hurt them, so the comment must mean something else, that is not hurtful.

So when looking at the Bible from an "believers" viewpoint, we take it in “context” we know God is loves us and so we know that even if something can be understood two ways, the way to take it is that it has to be a loving statement, even if that statement may be something we don't want to hear. We also know that statement is meant to be said to a loving person.

A servant of God is to be loving. This is the Bible’s definition of Love: Love is long-suffering and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

So with this “context” in mind why would a such loving person think of selling his selling his daughter to the “highest bidder” or into “sex slavery” or “forcing” her into an unwanted marriage with a stranger or have her “raped”? Such things would be unthinkable for a loving servant of God.

But you are not a believer and so such things are thinkable to you, in fact, to you, such things may even seem inevitable but the question is; what is a loving God saying to people that also should loving?

For understanding what the Bible is saying, that is one of the first questions one should ask themselves.

 

Nope.... Evil men warp their religion in their efforts to control men.

You can't be that stupid so as to really believe that there is no difference. Or extremely dedicated.

Yep.... Stupid people are. But God didn't do it, or promote it.

Who is that voice in your head then?


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If the ideology is false then, yes, it does breed ignorance, intolerance and war.

You say; "religion breeds ignorance and intolerance and creates ridicules wars between ideologies that are clearly false", that implies no exception but have you looked at every religion to see if that's true or have you just assumed it. Perhaps there is one religion that you have overlooked that doesn't breed ignorance and intolerance and war? Perhaps it does just the opposite and promotes thinking and reasoning, promotes acceptance rather than intolerance and as for war, it asks it's adherents to be peace makers?

And while you were at it did you look at the "religion" of atheism? Has it stopped ignorance and intolerance and war? Has it made its adherents better people? Where were they during WWII? Were they as a group, conscientious objectors or where they fighting against the scourge of Fascism? Fascism? Wait, Fascism isn't a religion, it's a political ideology, could that mean there are other reasons for wars, may be even other reasons for ignorance and intolerance than religion? Could that mean that doing away with religion might not do away with ignorance and intolerance and war? How could that be?

The truth will set you free, if it doesn't then it just isn't the truth.

 

Could it be eggnoodle? Just a guess.

 

It is my own thoughts based on experience that I have accumulated throughout my life.

Who is the voice in your head?

 

OWB: Is Jesus YHWH?

 

I'll take a stab. Jesus is the image of the invisible YHWH....

 

I'd agree, but this was more of a line of questioning that would then lead to ask:

In Philippians 2:10-11 (cf. Isaiah 45:23), is Jesus identified as YHWH, or as simply the Lord?

 

No.

 

In Isaiah it is God saying this about himself. (Isaiah 45:22-23) “Turn to me and be saved, all YOU [at the] ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no one else. By my own self I have sworn—out of my own mouth in righteousness the word has gone forth, so that it will not return—that to me every knee will bend down,. . .

But in Philippians it is Jesus being spoken about. (Philippians 2:10-11) so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

If you will notice here the reason every knee should bend. It's not because Jesus is the Lord, God but because Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father. In other words bending knee to Jesus as Lord, glorifies God for making Jesus Lord.

So just because the two Scriptures say similar things does not necessarily mean that Jesus is God.