Bible Questions? III

This has been answered before in this thread but the answer is that Adam and Eve had more children than Cain and Able, so at the time Cain married either a sister or a niece. And to answer your next question, there was no law against incest at the time.

 

I believe we can, but it depends on what is meant by the mountain. Throughout the Bible, it uses it's own labeling and terminology system, such as the 'kinds' of animals described in Genesis 1:11. Mountains in the Bible represent God's kingdom on earth (Isaiah 2:2-4), fulfilling Jacobs prophecy (Gen 28:10-22).

Perhaps the mountain that Jesus referenced to was the "rock that was cut out, but not by human hands" (Daniel 2:34) that was used to destroy the old system and to replace it with God's kingdom (34). Could this rock be the mountain that was hurled into the sea that turned the third of the sea into blood? (Rev 8:8). Jesus has said that such things must happen, but the end is still to come (Mark 13:5).

In the Lord's prayer, we are instructed to pray for the coming kingdom (Matthew 6:10). Jesus let's it be known that what we pray to the father and believe that we have already received it then it will be granted to us (Mark 11:24, Rev 8:4).

 

No but you drew the conclusion from it that Jesus had nothing against intoxication, which is simply not true and not what Jesus was talking about.

You show that you have not understood anything I have said, "a reading comprehension difficulty"?

Once again it seems you didn't read your own post. "You cannot see what you refuse to believe is there" so you do not believe what Got has put there for you to see.

No, I just happen to know that Jesus would not do anything that would displease his Father and ingesting psychedelic mushrooms would be engaging in spiritism, something that is not pleasing to his father.

 

I call no man my father and we are all here by virtue of his grace.

 

But Darrell it is not yet a fire.

 

Perhaps you don't but Jesus called God his Father many times.

 

Jesus had nothing against his brother period.

The difference is that I presented you with a dynamic cause for blindness.
Because you say you see your sin remains.

 

I just claimed God as my creator as well, I also I referred to you as brother in that single statement. Did you not comprehend that?

 

Darrelkitchen is familiar with the fire of metabolism. We all have a potential for scorched earth.

 

Why would that mean he has something against his brother? Sometimes being intolerant to things that are harmful to our family can be understood as an act of love, such as God's mercy shown to Nineveh (Jonah 4:4)(1 Corinthians 10:23).

 

Jesus said I do not judge him. I never heard Jesus preach against intoxication.
I heard Jesus speak against taking oaths. When you single out a cause you have placed a limit on giving. We do not know what is right action or what is wrong action, (forgive them they know not what they do). We do not know who sits at the right or the left of God. Again, all things are lawful but not all things are helpful and helpful is a matter of timing.
So many sincere Christian adherents either blindly believe the party line of right and wrong or they rack themselves trying to get it right and feel that they just aren't worthy.
I desire mercy not sacrifice, we gain mastery through love not resistance and denial. Forgiveness is the philosophers stone, it turns all that is base and impure into innocence and hope. Whenever we condemn we find ourselves condemned to face our own pronouncements about the nature of the world. We name the animals, that is our talent, good judgment is not.

 

Luke 23:34 - That was Jesus' response to those that did not know that the person they were killing was the prophesied messiah of the Jews.

(Matthew 25:32-33) "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left"

God wants us to know the difference between right and wrong:

2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

You're right that sacrifice isn't required, but mercy is (Matthew 9:9-13) but I don't imagine Jesus or the apostles recommending intoxication. In fact, the person Paul rebukes the epicureans (Acts 17:16-34).

 

Everything that Jesus said had layer upon layer upon layer of understanding embedded in it. He did not say forgive them because they are crucifying me and if they knew better they wouldn't be doing this. When he speaks of God's temple, yes there is a context of a physical building, but God's temple is also the devotional nature of man, the heart of man. In a broader sense, we do not know what we are doing, in every opportunity we are given to behold and choose innocence over guilt, we still predominantly choose guilt. We do this because we allow the money changer to sit in the temple and dictate exchange rates. We say he cannot be innocent because he had not payed the price of proper behavior.
If I tell a man that through Christ man conquers sin, he says no, I see his fault, give me Barabbas.

As we are instructed by the fruit of our own decisions, we are only truly chastened by those we love.

You're missing my point if you think that it is that Jesus recommended intoxication. It is not my point nor my suggestion.

As far as the sheep and goats thing, you recognize a man as neither a sheep or a goat but as a man. You still don't know who sits at the right or left.

 

I just want to say that you may be on to something with what you are saying but that before I can believe what you say is true, I'll need some scriptural reasons to believe it. Sometimes certain scriptures are taken out of context and are taken to mean what it wasn't meant to mean.

In other words, give me scriptural reasons to believe what you say is true. If it's proven to mean what we think it means, then we can agree with it's meaning.

Edit: Can you provide me with the links between scripture that displays clearly your interpretation to be what was meant to be interpretation? I agree with you wholeheartedly that scripture has meaning upon meaning but that meaning has to match with other scripture otherwise we risk inventing an interpretation and this can lead us away from the truth and into esoteric value - and I sometimes worry that you have a habit of this and want to be sure that I am wrong. We all risk this, but it can be diverted if we allow scripture to fill in the blanks for us.

Sorry if this sounds like I am assuming that you don't know your scripture. Honestly, I'm probably not as familiar with it as you are.

 

This is an important point, There are many scriptures in this world that are not spelled Holy Bible.

 

True, there are other 'holy' text in the world but I can't think of any book other than the Bible that has proven itself true over and over.

 

I would hope that you do not believe a thing that I say. I would hope that you take what I say with a grain of salt and put it to the test of your own experience, that fruit will show you it is true. If salt looses it's taste what good is it for seasoning the pot?
However what particular point are you referring to?

Edit: Can you provide me with the links between scripture that displays clearly your interpretation to be what was meant to be interpretation? I agree with you wholeheartedly that scripture has meaning upon meaning but that meaning has to match with other scripture otherwise we risk inventing an interpretation and this can lead us away from the truth and into esoteric value.[/QUOTE]
I'll just throw some things out there.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
The measure you give is the measure you get, " we must avoid even the appearance of evil".
Let he who is blameless cast the first stone... where is your accuser now, go and sin no more.
Don't you know who this woman is? I know she anointed my feet with oil and washed me with her tears.
This guy is over there doing works but he is not with us... leave him alone those not against are for.
These statements and many more are familiar to you, they are written in your heart in empathy and compassion and it is this link that I would encourage.

 

How many books have you put to the test? Muslims have the same sentiment for Quran.
I agree the Bible is reliable but I have seen wisdom appear in dark street corners as well.

 

It's true that we shouldn't be hypocrites and judge others unless the speck of our own eye is removed, but that Christians can see. (Matthew 11:5). In Matthew 18:15-17, Yeshua's disciples are instructed to "display the fault of their brother's sin". How could this be possible if they cannot see? But is this pointing out of our 'brother's fault' a self-righteous and hypocritical judgment? It isn't so if it is done with love and using the insight contained in God's message (Ephesians 4:15, James 5:20, Timothy 4:2, John 14:6).

 

This is a good question.
There is a power we have called discrimination, we name the animals. We can tell one thing from another. However, there are no good or bad tigers. Understand, there is no degree of divinity that can be achieved by man. He is divine by virtue of his inheritance in creation. God is the father of man and mother the earth, let us make man in our own image.
Good and bad are statements of evaluation, judgment. True and false are distinctions, what is the same and what is different. We are told that the knowledge of good and evil will kill us, we see each other evil and kill ourselves, sometimes en mass because we had seen in an ally, good better than evil.
Jesus said, Why do you call me good, only God is good.