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Oh, they know there's incest in there; they just won't ever admit to it. See, my question, after reading the Book of Genesis and starting the book of Exodus was... where did all those people come from? Adam, then Eve, the Garden Fiasco, Cain, Able, the first murder/crime of passion, Cain gets kicked out to roam wherever and then... a lot of begetting his happening. To cover up the incest, Lilith was brought into the picture except the bible makes no reference to another woman being around other than Eve.

Nasty critters. Some of the most interesting people I've talked to or have been with have been... Bible Belters and who, clearly to me, didn't want to be under that thumb and its inherent hypocrisy and folks misquoting the bible to serve their own purpSoses of control and domination over others. You see, the homophobes and other haters are quick to cite the Old Testament and totally forget that the New Testament was meant to replace the Old Testament due to the coming of Jesus and His teachings that, ultimately, got him crucified. They either forget or don't know that the New Testament rescinds the biblical law of the Old Testament.

I don't even bother to remind them of these biblical facts and it's sad to see the Old Testament used as a stick to beat, well, everyone into religious submission, being told what to do, how to do it, who to do it with, what you can eat and can't eat and the Old Testament, once you get past Genesis, is doom and gloom, fire, brimstone, thou shalt not do any of these ten things. Do as I say or else death, hell, and eternal damnation is in your future. Not to mention that biblical scholars have noted that there are books of the Old Testament (and the bible as a whole) that are missing. Rumor has it that the Catholic Church, once they ripped the bible off from the Jews, made those missing books disappear because, allegedly, they told a different story than the one the Church needed everyone to believe.

I wouldn't doubt this and the Vatican refuses to confirm nor deny these allegations which kinda makes them look guilty as fuck, huh? And we know that they are not without sin.

So, one question I asked that got me grounded for two weeks was, "If being a homosexual is a sin, why are there so many homosexuals? If God doesn't like homosexuals, why are there homosexuals?" And I'm asking these questions after I got my first taste of cock and cum and got my butt crack pleasantly splooged. Something's not right here and I wanted to know how something everyone says is so bad can feel so good. It didn't make sense that if boys weren't supposed to have sex with each other, um, why were we able to do it in the first place? You can imagine that I got myself in a lot of trouble asking questions that I shouldn't have known to ask, huh, especially when I asked the pastor of our church where did all those people come from... because I had figured out that some mad crazy incest was going on that no one wanted to talk about.

Asking that question got me grounded for a month. And I got my ass beaten. Hmm... I must be on the right path. We laugh and joke about "those inbred hillbillies", but you hear more social angst about sexuality than you do the proven fact that there was some serious inbreeding going on in them hills and, on a larger scale, there were cultures with royalty that used incest and inbreeding to keep all the wealth and power to themselves and homosexuality and very likely bisexuality was alive and well and often held hands with incest and, my goodness, doesn't the shit really start to get interesting as well as casting a lot of doubt on the veracity of the bible? I thought so and I learned that I wasn't the only one who felt this way and I mean in the form of those who came before me as well as many of my peers. Like, screwing your sister isn't bad; getting her pregnant is because of possible birth defects. Otherwise, you don't knock her up, she's a woman just like any other woman out there - unless your sister is homosexual and a lesbian and she's that way because she's been making out with your other sister.

When you see the reality of things, you tend to not want to believe what religion has to say and more so when people spend more time quoting and misquoting the Old Testament to justify their irrational fears - but not the New Testament a whole lot and those who do cite it tend to get shouted down because other than the Book of Revelations, the New Testament isn't all that scary and definitely not in the way the Old Testament is.

I had sex with a guy and... didn't get struck down by a thunderbolt from heaven and, well, God doesn't kill people: People kill people and do it in His name and over some stuff that doesn't match the reality of what it means to be human.

 

By far, your most OUTSTANDING response so far in this discussion; "AMEN" to you, brother!

They say "God doesn't make mistakes".

Well then, look at all the homosexuals and bisexuals he created.......WITHOUT making a mistake!

And as a long-lapsed Catholic, I would not be at all surprised if the Church "deleted" certain pages from the Bible, for their own bigoted "We are the only TRUE Church" persona.

You also brought up an EXCELLENT point about the Old and the New Testaments; note how, invaribly, when 'Bible thumpers" want to spew their words of religious intolerance, they always quote from the OLD Testament........hhhhmmmmmmmmm.

I can tell you that, for sure, the Catholic Church has REALLY messed with gay minds, but WILL accept them IF they promise to remain CELIBATE!!

Geeze, people, give me a break!

I have also read about a lot of anti-gay foaming from strict Baptist churches; and, I just now thought of this, I've read of how difficult it is for many black men to "come out", because either their church or the old stereotype that a MASCULINE black man HAS to be straight (no exceptions)

I know this can also be a very serious issue in inner-city areas.

And we wonder WHY, in so many areas (both urban and rural today) so many are afflicted with emotional/mental issues?

And religious leaders (regardless of denomination) are supposed to be preaching LOVE, BROTHERHOOD, and TOLERANCE????

Yeah, right!

Oh, and lest we forget about the Monsignior at St. Patrick's in New York, who, one Sunday, 20-something years ago, blamed 9/11 on God's wrath against both degenerate gays and those who accept them (there was a LOT of shit hitting the fan afterwards, let me tell you!)

This cretin was REALLY fucked up in the head, without a doubt.

BUT........it was OK, though, that this despicable, hypocritical "man of the cloth" was having a lengthy affair with a church secretary (who also had children)......so much for taking the "vow of celibacy".......what utter bullshit................

 

Oh, don't get me started on Baptist churches; there are so many homo- and bisexuals in Baptist churches that it's not even funny - and that includes a few pastors that I personally knew about (and you can guess how I knew). It used to gall the fuck out of me to be in church and listening to the fire and brimstone preaching about how evil homosexuality is and while I'm bisexual, I knew of four homosexuals in our congregation - one male, three females - and I can't imagine what it was like for them to sit there and listen to the religious hatred being spewed about them being homosexual. I know I'd sit there fuming because I knew what they were preaching against was incorrect, that they weren't telling the truth of things - but telling a truth that religion wants us to take on faith as being true.

The various religions have this "do as I say, not as I do" thing going on; they tell males to never have sex with each other and, um, they've been doing it all along. The take a vow of celibacy - and what the hell is up with that anyway? - and that vow has been broken time and time again over the existence of organized religion - and doing it in God's name at that. Funny and sad at the same time when those degenerate homosexuals get blamed for tragedies while proclaiming that the event is God's Wrath coming down on us and... I'm not sure what they've been smoking or drinking but I don't want any.

What makes it hard for Black men to come out is that bullshit that someone started saying that all Blacks are homophobic. Right off the bat, there's a contradiction if homey isn't straight and, okay, I'm almost 100% sure that you can't be homo- or bisexual and suffering from homophobia or biphobia, which is homophobia wearing a different shirt. Even harder when there are still Blacks who believe they are supposed to be homophobic but while there are Blacks who are true homophobes, it still hasn't stopped Blacks from "coming out" as gay or bi and even then, a lot of us understand that the only person we really need to come out to is... ourselves. Anyone else is on a need-to-know basis and there are a lot of people in our lives who do not need to know and more so when I know how much I hated being preached to about my sexuality and by people who had no idea what they were talking about other than parroting the religious dogma that was played out before I was born.

Told one person who was trying to read me the riot act, "If I'm gonna die and go to hell, at least I'll be there in good company..." and they almost had a stroke, threatened to tell my mother - and I invited them to go tell her because I knew she already knew and them reading me the riot act... changed nothing. Still very damned bisexual.

That crisis of faith is classic; I don't personally know a bisexual or homosexual who hasn't gone through it only to understand that if God didn't mean for them to be this way, they wouldn't be this way. Crisis of faith taken care of. A continued belief in God... and a big vote of no-confidence in religion and who shouldn't be throwing stones.

Things like love and tolerance are spoken about in the New Testament which, as you say, the bible thumpers don't want to pay much attention to. What makes the thumpers even more concerned is that, once upon a time, they used to be the majority in the world but today? They're a minority and on their way to being extinct from our social diaspora and that's some scary shit for them that makes them rale even more against bisexuality, homosexuality, and transgenderism even though it is rather clear that what they believe in... is not even the truth of things... and it never was.

Kinda hypocritical for a preacher man getting a blowjob from me and calling on God and Jesus to save him as he explodes in my mouth, huh? Him thinking that I was someone he could take advantage of and that I was naive and clueless... until he found out that I was neither of those things and very well-versed in things M2M and as evidenced by me making him pop his cock in about two minutes. Telling me that God says that it's really okay for men to love each other in this way and it was all I could do not to bust out laughing about it since, um, I already knew that and knew that God really didn't have anything to do with it - but human nature had everything to do with it. He... didn't want to stick around for round two and he avoided me like the plague, which I still think is hilarious. You don't try to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs... and you don't try to teach me how to suck a dick. And, by the way, calling on God and Jesus to help you... isn't going to save you from men like me...

 

KDaddy23:

ANOTHER excellent, well-written, and in-depth response; so much insight to pondedr and reflect upon.

I now recall, years back, a really sad (and fucked up) story about a Baptist minister (married) who got a young female in his congregation pregnant, and THEN made her get up in front of said congregation and APOLOGIZE for having a baby out of wedlock!

Duh!

Well HOW did she get knocked up??

And WHO was the father??

The sordid minister got off scott free!

SHE was the "Jezebel", while HE was her poor, misguided victim!

Dumb as I am, even I know it "takes two to tango"!

Now THAT'S fucked up!

And again, young black males (or, for that matter, older black men) who wish they could be honest, open, and "out" about their sexuality, cannot (in so many cases) because it simply isn't "the thing" for a black male to be GAY (or even bi)

Too, look at how black males (especially younger fellows) are painted with the same brush, that they ALL are followers of the "gangsta rap/thug" culture; damn sad.

Back to the Bible.......

In all honesty, I cannot ever recall any of the homophobic "holy rollers" quoting the NEW Testement with great intensity; instead, they take the Old Testament (surprise!) and twist it around for their own bigoted, hate-mongering purposes.

Same way that "the art of self-stimulation" will not only make you blind, BUT, will also make you a HUGE sinner, for "spilling seed". (thank the Lord I never believed this inane bullshit!)

Too, look at the past decade, at how many instances of serious violence (including murder) have taken place in houses of worship, not to mention wanton theft and vandalism.

Take notice that none of these lowfifes were instantly struck down by a searing bolt of lightning, by the enraged Almighty!

Too, I truly believe that, if same-color/same-sex couples have a rough time of it these days, what about interracial male couples.

You and I both know that they'll be whispering and hinting that the ONLY reason the white guy is with a BLACK guy is.......well, need I continue?

Stereotypes (of ANY sort) are vicious, asinine, and totally baseless.

Any yet, look at how STILL widely accept most of these stereotypes are today, in this so-called "enlightened age" of acceptance for who and what you are.......yeah......it's all still pretty screwed up, my friend.................

 

A deacon at our church hit on my wife and she told me that he'd been trying to get into her panties for years and... I had a conversation with him that went along the lines of he probably wouldn't appreciate it if I hit on his wife... and fucked her. I strongly suggested to him that he stop hitting on my wife or the next time he sees me, I won't be talking. This behavior just wasn't unknown in Baptist churches and the thing I came to understand was that you could be a staunch churchgoer but you're still human and churches are full of easy prey. The bible thumpers would have you believe that a man spilling his seed upon the ground is a sin... and it isn't. The Catholic Church kinda made it a sin because it could be con but his dead brother's wife pregnant and... he wasn't feeling that but he knew that he had to fuck her because the village elders were going to make sure he did. Well, he did and just when he started to cum, he pulled out and spilt his seed upon the ground... and it cost him his life, not for spilling on the ground but for not getting her pregnant and committing the sin of disobedience.

We - humans - are not without our prejudices that are born out of the fear of the other: If you aren't like us, you're against us and will be dealt with. We cannot escape from the homophobes, the bible thumpers, racial prejudices and especially "stay with your own kind," which I though was incredibly stupid since despite the differences in the color of our skis, we're the same (and the DNA proves it). What the "stay with your own kind" folks don't know is that we're all mongrels and none of us are pure bred. Now, as far as what they'd be whispering about because a white guy is with a Black guy? Sure - the Black guy has a big dick and both of them are gay which means they shouldn't be together at all.

The stereotypes have some basis in fact and truth - just not a whole lot of truth. Much easier to believe them than to dig around to find the truth; it's why we will believe perception over prove truths. It all goes to show and prove that we aren't as enlightened as we think we are. All you can do is let the fucked up people stay fucked up and go on about living your life the way you want to. It's still true that those who refuse to change will be left behind...

 

Well said all the way.

I had never thought that the stereotype of blacks loving fried chicken and watermelon had any basis in truth whatsoever, from an ethnic standpoint.

Sure, folks in the South love it, and, hell, my (white, Northern) family DEVOURED the stuff during the summer, at picnics and other family gatherings.

I thought it was like saying the Italians love spaghetti and meatballs (which, of course, they do!)

I'm STILL a big fan of watermelon and fried chicken, to this day (how could one NOT be?)

BUT....to take a "trait" and turn it into a racial stereotype.......that's just stupid.......and ignorant.

Anyway, you and I BOTH know that, sadly, stereotypes of ALL kinds will ALWAYS be with us.

Therefore, it is up to US to RISE above all the ignorant and petty bullshit and just know in our hearts and minds what TRUTH really is.

Personally, I was first made aware of bisexuals when I was about 30, when I came across an erotic pocket magazine, "OPTIONS" ("the only BI-monthly") at the newsdealer's across from where I worked in New York.

MARRIED men having sex with their buddies?

MARRIED men having "one night stands" with other males they met in a bar, a club, or while on vacation?

I was like "Damn!"

I would then wonder about a lot of the hot-looking married guys I worked with.

Had any ever had sex with other men before?

Who still does?

Of course, even I had heard a lot of stories about guys wanking each other off and trading blowjobs in college....you have to wonder just how far such encounters went?

Personally, if a married guy is bi, and has strong urges for other men, just go out and get what you want.

Or, if he loves cock and pussy equally, again, get as much as you can, WHEN you can.

In short.....you KNOW what you NEED and what you WANT.......just take it from there......

 

Well, we're just as guilty for loving fried chicken and watermelon - we ain't the only ones. It's like this: If you hear the call of cock and choose to answer it, it's going to change your life forever and letting our outdated moral values stop you from having the sex you know you need - and more so when women can be stingy and likes to hold the pussy ransom and extracting high prices to give it up... when you don't have to go through all of that shit with a guy. He wants to, you want to, and it's off to do what we agreed to do. Sitting around watching the game and it's halftime? C'mere and let me suck that dick before the game starts again. And all it really means is getting your dick sucked and sucking dick and doing some fucking if you're into it.

Married and hear the call? I would never tell a guy to just go ahead and cheat on his wife but they don't have much of a choice and it's better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission but I know that guys will cheat to get the dick they want and... that's life. It's not right but being married doesn't allow for things like this and it's no different from when it's the woman who has that need of a woman's touch and if she cheats to get it, well, it's what she had to do because there's a good chance that she wasn't going to get permission to have a girlfriend she can have sex with and no more than a wife is going to allow her hubby to be suck/fuck buddies with his best friend or any other guy. Some women are cool with it but they're still more the exception than the rule.

You do what you gotta do and by any means necessary, fair or foul. Our society's moral values makes people have to cheat - there are no conversations about changing those values all across the board. Now, I have heard from guys who slept with their college roommate and as to how far? From mutual blowjobs to fucking each other. It's the weekend, you're both broke, can't hook up with any girls, and it's back to the dorm to maybe drown your dating sorrows in cheap beer and... one thing leads to another and... who knew that sucking dick and being sucked by a guy could feel so damned good? Shit, fuck those stuck up bitches! A lot of men and women give it a try when they're in college so there's nothing unusual about it.

Because at the end of any day, it's just sex. It's still sex. If more comes from it - and it can - that's just gravy but it's simple: It's me and you and we're both horny and, oh, yeah, I'm a good cocksucker - but you don't know this but you're about to find out because I guess it's in our male nature that when we get bored silly, we want to have sex and... I won't tell if you won't. Doesn't mean that either of us are gay; we were just two horny guys and I happened to know how we can take care of that and we don't need no stuck up girls. And you say okay because it has to be better than jerking off and much better than having to suffer with a bad case of testicular congestion, aka, blue balls. And chances are very good that this is going to be a no-brainer decision for you make and, yes, you have my word that I will not tell anyone that we did this.

Nothing out of the ordinary going on here...

 

I guess, in the long run, what it all boils down to, is that, when you're so horny that your balls are as blue as blue can get, you don't care WHAT kind of sex you have.......male OR female, what the hell, as long as it's consensual, and involves a sex partner of legal age............you just wanna BUST YOUR NUT, simple as that!

Too, as we have also discussed earlier, if a married guy wants to fuck with other guys, and the wife is totally OK with it, truthfully, I do not think the guy truly realizes just how fortunate he is, to have a wife who has no issues with his wanting sex with other men.

As we both know, it CAN get downright ugly, if a less-than-open-minded wife discovers her husband's involvement with other males........separation, divorce, losing the love and support of your kids......yeah, I've heard some really ugly horror stories, where the wife totally freaks out.

And, if the wife has strict religious codes.......well, I'll say no more on that.

As I love reading any and all kinds of history, I've read that, in the past, there were Buddhists sects who taught that homosexual love was "far more pure and rewarding" than heterosexual sex.

Try running THAT past the Baptists and the Catholics!

Franklin Graham, are ya listening??

 

The Buddhist were more in tune with the realities of life, although I would debate the position that's it's far more pure and rewarding; whoever said that probably never had any pussy. Wives with strict religious codes probably get cheated on and/or divorced more than women who aren't that strict; the tighter the grip, the more likely to lose what you're holding. And, yes, ideally, you want it to be consensual with a partner of legal age... but it doesn't always work like that and now you're talking about shit getting downright ugly, and very damned shitty. My protege once offered this gem: "If men were allowed to have sex with men, the number of women who get raped would likely be greatly reduced..." and I thought that he had a point as we were talking about that rash of rapes taking place all over India, whose religious practices also kicks homosexuality to the curb as unholy and evil. To those women I have asked them, "If you won't fuck your husband, who's supposed to?" and I wait for their version of the common answer of, "No one is!" and when I get it, I give them a sad look and say, "So, yeah, that's why he cheated on you; you hadn't cut him off from having sex with you, did you really think that he was going to sit on his ass and be celibate right along with you? If so, well, obviously, that's what you thought - and that's why he did what he did."

I didn't make her pain any worse by telling her that he did cheat on her... with a 20-something twink who was more than happy to suck him off and be fucked any time day or night, no questions asked. And, yes, the horror stories are true; lives and relationships have been ruined beyond salvage and shines a light on how fucked up monogamy is or like I once told my first poly wife, "Baby, I love you; I love having sex with you but when I want to suck cock, you don't have one. You can fuck me four times a day and I'll still want to suck cock and I won't be totally satisfied until I do." Yeah, she didn't like hearing that but she had to and she eventually found that my going out to get some dick really didn't have anything to do with her or my wife - and I'd come back from being with a guy and ready to fuck whoever's home silly - and it was usually her. I'm telling you, my friend, being with a guy can be rewarding but coming home to a woman who loves to have sex and who'll let you do whatever you want to her to make her cum?

Never gets any better than that. Run that by the prudes; run it by the women who whore themselves and puts their pussy on sale to mates or the ones that hold it hostage and ransoms it in ways a husband - or anyone else - can afford. Run that by the religiously strict when they wonder why their man or woman is stepping out on them so they can enjoy sex the way they want and need to. Run it past organized religions that frowns on how I was living and having sex for over twenty years.

When people need sex, they will do anything to get it and that includes breaking some stupid rules that only serve to enslave and blind us to the alternatives...

 

I was not aware of the shameful high rate of rape in India; however, I HAVE read about their truly bigoted views on homosexuality (look at how all-out DANGEROUS it is for a gay or bisexual male in many Middle Eastern countries.

There, I have heard of some VERY frightening stories about shit that happens to gay/bi males who are "found out".

That's fucking scary as all hell.

Same thing in a good chunk of Africa I know that late Nelson Mandela was VEHEMENTLY anti-gay.

You and I both know that a man's sexual needs and urges are more powerful and profound than many would think possible; too, I truly believe that both lust and sex drive are probably our most tangible links to our pre-history ancestors.

We're only human, people....we all have our needs and desires, and to deny they exist is beyond foolhardy, to say the least.................

 

When it comes to the rights of gays and bisexuals, sadly, too much of the world is still firmly still in the grips of the Dark Ages..........and that thought is indeed a very sobering one, indeed...........

 

As far as I know, there's nothing wrong with a bisexual's rights; that's some shit that got made up after homosexuals won their battle for their rights. Homosexuals couldn't be fucked with like that any longer so... they turned to bisexuals and have them believing that our human rights are being ignored and violated and there's no proof of this but, of course, they turn right around and say that bisexuals don't have to fight for their rights because they have a straight privilege, which is also bullshit because, if you've been paying attention, bisexuals are both straight and gay - just neither one exclusively and, really, the only time a bisexual is gay is when they're doing something gay.

My rights have been infringed upon more because of the color of my skin than my sexuality which, by the way, not a whole lot of people knew about because it's none of their fucking business... unless they wanna have sex. My career wasn't impacted by it; my ability to buy a house, obtain loans, so on and so forth, were not impacted by my bisexuality because, again, none of the people I interacted with knew I was bi. So where do you suppose this "bisexual rights" bullshit came from? The sad part is there are a lot of bisexuals who now actually believe that they're being discriminated against because of their bisexuality. It pays to not believe anything you read on social media outlets because you won't find a lot of truth there. I maintain with a high degree of certainty that you cannot be discriminated against for being bisexual if those who would discriminate against you knows that you are... unless you tell them and you live in a state where it's still legal to discriminate against anyone you want to discriminate against.

And if you suspect the LGBTQ+ community for this nonsense, you'd be right. Lots of bullshit has been coming out of there including it being said that bisexuals don't belong in the community because we don't share their problems and issues... and we don't but misery loves company, as it turns out. You comment suggests that you drank some of that Kool-Aid, too, sorry to say if you believe that a bisexual's rights are being infringed upon.

I've been trying to read a rather boring book about homosexuality in Africa and its origins. It's a tough book to read but from what I've read, man, talk about some seriously complicated shit that goes back to the 1600s or thereabouts. And it is to note that Mandela didn't speak for all of Africa but being anti-gay? Doesn't surprise me and a lot of Africa got turned into Christians by the many missionaries The Church of England sent there to bring God to the heathen idol worshippers found in this country and, as this book seems to suggest, brought homosexuality to Africa with them although there were some tribes that had "homosexual" males because of tribal traditions and other such stuff that white observers couldn't make much sense of because the native people weren't of a mind to talk about it.

And, besides, Mandela had his hands full battling apartheid in South Africa to be concerned with African homosexuality all that much. Despite what he did for that part of Africa, he was just another Black African Christian who drank the anti-gay Kool-Aid and like everyone else did.

 

It would not at all surprise that a lot of "fodder" comes out of the LGBTQ community; so far as "bisexual rights", perhaps I did not word myself right.

Or, perhaps, it was because in my workplace (where the was a LOT of homophobia.......thankfully, not aimed at me).......when I DID hear about bisexual men, the term "half-fag" was tossed around freely. Of course, I'm not bi, but, still, I thought the term offensive and ignorant.

You mentioned skin color; recall Dr. King said that he wanted his children to live in a world where "they would be judged by the content of their character, and not the color of their skin".

You would indeed think that, by now, well into the 21st century (hey, BTW, where are all those flying "Jetson" cars?) we could have finally gotten beyond racism/prejeduice? Being raised "color blind", it just seemed so fucking stupid to discriminate against someone simply because of the color of their skin. Fucking stupid.

Where I worked (for one of the major financial markets) there was also a lot of "social/corporate" discrimination.

Too many of the "big rollers", with plenty of power and $$$$$ at their command, thought themselves far and above the "common workers"....and they let you know it too!

Too many were under the misguided assumption that, because you were a "floor worker", and didn't make six digits a year, and didn't "come from money", that you were beneath them, basically, a peon.

That shit NEVER sat well with me, and I wasn't shy about making my feelings known, when the time was right.

One super-wealthy, middle-aged, totally obnoxious, corporate asshole (who lived on Park Avenue) used to brag that his family NEVER had to ride the subway.....they had a CHAUFFEUR!

Yeah, that's a REAL social achievement, pal!

When I worked in New York, for nearly 25 years, I saw it all: I saw racism, homophobia, anti-Semitism (none of this was limited only to the workplace, by any means); in short, I saw a lot of crap that made me wonder how people who were so highly educated could be so frigging ignorant.

Of course, nearly 20 years since I retired (and today a little bit wiser) I now wonder how many of the "straight" guys I saw and talked to each workday might have been bisexual.

As I said, in my workplace, IF a guy was gay, he would do well to "come out" only to a few very close and trusted friends.

The more discreet you were, the better it was for you.

My credo is simple: "Treat me with respect, and I will treat you likewise".

Skin color, race, and religion mean nothing to me; it is the kind of person you ARE that is important to me.........

 

..........also worth thinking about, is the situation(s) involving bisexual married men (especially seniors) who either surpress their bi desires until the wife passes, and then "throws caution to the winds", so to speak, or, bi men who marry and think that, with all the "free pussy" now his, it will squelch his desire to have sex with other men.

IMHO, when a bi guy is seriously thinking about proposing to his galpal, I truly believe that THIS is to the time to "come clean", and inform her of his need and desire to have sex with other men BEFORE they tie the knot, and, then see how she reacts.

This would, I believe, save a LOT of grief in the long run.

If she reacts favorably, no problem, just move on to the wedding preparations.

On the other hand, if she reacts negatively to having a sexually active bi husband, well.......you fill in the blanks...................

 

Yeah, you'd think that by now, we would be better than that but the truth is that we will never be able to put this behavior behind us as long as there's one person who is bigoted or prejudiced. I would only "come out" to people who needed to know and if I felt you didn't need to know, then you wouldn't know that I'm bisexual - but even if they did know, I didn't much give a fuck because I also knew that nothing they were going to say or do would change the fact that I'm bisexual.

Now, ideally, sure - before you propose to the woman you want to marry, you let her know your complete sexual history including everything you've done - or have thought of - with other guys... and find out what'll happen. Suffice it to say that you're probably not going to be marrying her. If you sucked your friend's cock way back when you both were 10 - and you tell her this - she is very likely to start assuming that (1) you're still sucking cocks, (2) you're probably gay and (3) if she marries you, you're going to cheat on her. And nothing you can say is going to change her mind - and keep in mind that you'd better not ask her about her sexual history because she will tell you that the past should stay in the past and she will not answer your question - but if she asks about your history, you'd better come clean even if doing so trashes the relationship.

In this, you are damned if you tell her and damned if you don't. Now, if hubby to be has no prior history with guys - but as the marriage goes along he hears the call of cock and is thinking about answering it, well, unless she's one of the rare understanding women, you'd better not even mention it to her because she will very likely accuse you of (1) having sex with men before you met her and (2) you're cheating on her to sleep with dudes. And nothing you can say to her about what you haven't done is going to change her mind - but if she steps out on him to get some pussy, well, that's different.

That's why being bisexual and married is the worst thing ever. And, no: She can throw all the pussy at you that you can handle and it's not a substitute for getting some dick the way you need it. It's why so many guys suppress this and, without being aware of how suppressing it winds up affecting him and beginning with a great deal of displeasure and animosity with the missus because she refuses to understand. It's why so many guys do, in fact, cheat because they feel it's the only option short of (a) trying to ask her for permission and (b) divorcing her. Guys wind up becoming bitter; their personality tends to change and sometimes it's so subtle that no one notices - including him.

It gets serious messy from a mental health point of view and men being men, even when they're aware of how the suppression has negatively affected them, they won't seek out help out of pride and, oh, yeah, if he starts going to therapy sessions, he's gonna have to tell her why he's going and spending money on therapy and, you might be able to figure out how that conversation is going to go. And if you really want to see it, just go read some of the stuff the guys are writing here about how can they tell their wife or how can they talk her into having a MMF threesome or hoping that she "makes him" suck another guy's cock and pay attention to the tone of their writing.

Most women just do not have a sense of humor or understanding about men who have sex with men, let alone bisexual men. They firmly believe that all we should ever need is pussy - and if she even bothers to let us get at it which, of course, is one of the reasons why some guys turn to men for sex and it becomes a very vicious cycle that only now is really starting to be broken as some couple explore polyamory which can have sexuality overtones. Still more the exception than the rule but that's starting to change.

Here's a given: No one can fuck with you about your sexuality if they don't know about it and what they suspect is one thing but it's what they can prove that matters. Another given: If ten guys come out as bi, nine of them are going to regret doing it.

 

You are 100% right; NO ONE can fuck with you regarding your sexuality IF they do not know what your sexuality is.

Outside of my family, only about four or five of my closest work pals knew I was gay; and, thankfully, they couldn't care less....they LIKED and RESPECTED me for WHO I was, and the kind of friend I was; that was enough for them.

Families, as you know, can be another story altogether.

When I "came out in 1995", my one brother wasn't at all surprised to hear what I told him, and it was, thankfully, all smooth sailing.

My other brother, on the other hand, was so pissed to hear me say i was gay, he wouldn't speak to me for close to a year (think THAT did not hurt?)

Thankfully, he eventually relented and accepted the fact his younger brother was gay (to myself, I was like, "he never wondered WHY I never had a girlfriend, and why I had no onterest in women, and never dated, let alone married?")

Well, duh!

I've outlived my parents and both of my brothers; what remains of my family just thinks of me as "the old bachelor", and it goes no further than that.

But, yeah, life can either be a picnic or a hell-hole for a bisexual guy, depending on his spose.

I've read and heard enough that, all too often, things can, indeed, get QUITE ugly, nasty, and beyond complex, with a lot of bad blood being spilled.

Yet another reasin why I think a bisexual man should be TOTALLY honest with his intended BEFORE the knot is tied.......sure as hell will save a LOT of grief later on, for sure........

 

Idealistically, you're right - a bi guy should be honest before getting married... but did you miss the part where I said that doing that will ensure that he won't be marrying her? That you're damned if you do and damned if you don't? The grief is going to be a given because no matter when you tell her, you're gonna be talking to someone you didn't know anything about as she shreds your ass into little pieces before she throws the engagement ring back at you or, if you tell her after the wedding, you're going to need a lawyer. In truth, you might survive her very emotional outburst and the relationship isn't going to get trashed but it might as well be because now, any time you're not in her sight, she's thinking that you're on your knees sucking cock or bending over and taking it in the ass (and even if that's not your thing); you can't go anywhere by yourself without her knowing every nitpicking detail - who, what, where, when, why, and how; you will be separated from your male friends and won't be allowed to make new friends and if you get that pussy, it's only because you've totally complied with whatever demands she's putting on you to make sure that the only dick you're gonna play with is your own - and she might not let you do that without supervision or wanting to know what you fantasize about when you beat your meat.

I hope you don't think I'm joking about this because I'm not. I know way too many guys who fessed up before the fact and the relationship was over with; I know guys who have fessed up after the relationship has been up and running and if she's not asking for a divorce, well, you might as well get the divorce because things will never be the same between the two of you. So to avoid this, men... stay silent about any M2M interests, past, present, or future. There could come a time when she might ask if you've ever thought about sex with a guy - and you'd be well served to ask her specifically why she's asking because it could be a trap; I know guys who have fessed up and instead of her ripping him a new one, she started cheating on him. Confessing is like handing her the power to issue a vote of no-confidence with you; she will feel betrayed, you've broken whatever trust she had in you and she will, invariably, take something about you and make it all about her - and still accusing you of shit you didn't do because you love her.

Some guys get lucky and find that they have a woman who understands and maybe she does because she had that hankering herself so ruining things before or after the fact might not happen and it might not negatively impact the plans to marry or the marriage if revealed later on. But since you have no way of knowing if she's one of those rare and special women, you are asking for trouble if you reveal your bisexuality to her because, as I said, most women do not have a sense of humor about this before or after the fact so, honestly, why would you essentially commit relationship suicide by telling her something that is sure to end your plan to have a life with her or end the life you do have with her?

Why would you do that? Guys would rather run the risk of cheating than to tell her that he's a submissive bottom who worships cock, sucks cock, and loves to be throat-fucked and when it comes to anal sex, he prefers to be DP'd and/or spit roasted by two Black lovers who both have 10 thick inches of cock. Hell hath no fury than a woman's scorn is an understatement. You'll find out quickly how much she doesn't really love you like she said she did; you will find out how badly you've broken her heart and, again, her trust in you and as she goes on and on about how this news has totally devastated her, you're sitting or standing there and realizing that you just made the biggest mistake in your life.

It's why being bisexual and married is the worst thing ever. And trust me: If you never had a woman spazz out on you about not being straight then you really don't know why honesty in this is the first grievous mistake you're about to make re telling her. Do gay men ever confess their "heterosexual sins" to a partner they want to be with for the rest of whatever? Do they do it after waking up one morning and knowing that being intimate with a woman is what he needs to do? I wonder what happens? I'm thinking it won't be pretty because I know a little something about human nature...

 

I hear you loud and clear; in some cases, honesty is certainly NOT the BEST policy.

Through your honest and "up front" recounting of past experience, I certainly can see that bein a married bisexual male (who is also active with other males) can often make for a living HELL, depending on the wife.

It ain't NO joke, for sure, and it is obvious that a LOT of nasty shit can hit the fan from all angles.

You obviously DO know quite a lot of "human nature", and, despite the simplicity of "basic urges", it can also create disasters and emotional typhoons, for sure.

Again, I can see that, while, in most cases, honesty IS the BEST policy, in some circumstances, that same honesty can be almost suicidal.

"Are ya feeling lucky today, pal?"

I am now recalling a VERY bombastic and VERY obnoxious broker at work, who thought he was God, and treated anyone and everyone he thought was beneath them like doormats.

One time, I happened to pass him by while he was talking to his wife on the phone, which was reserved for the "Big Guys".

This big pompous-ass blowhard was like a meek little kitten; a chastised four-year old.

After hearing this nauseating "chat", I knew that the reason this guy was such a tyrant at work because he was such a classic example of a "yes, honey, you're right, honey" henpecked hubby.

I'll tell you one thing; I would have NOT wanted to witness the nuclear blast that would have surely taken place, had this guy ever admitted he was cheating on her, ESPECIALLY with a guy!

You also mentioned a guy loving to get his ass d/p'd; look at all the porn out there of two "straight" guys fucking a woman in the SAME hole; are you gonna tell me that these "straight" guys aren't feeling SOME stimulation of their cock rubbing against another guy's?

Jesus, even I can figure that one out!

Of course, they'll probably never admit it!

You gotta wonder about those married guys whose wives treat them like doormats, who control every aspect of their lives........is the pussy THAT hot, that they will sacrifice both their masculinity and their freedom?

Though, of course, being gay in a largely straight (and often quite homophobic) society is indeed often no walk in the part, I certainly do not envy any bisexual married man whose spouse is less than tolerant of her husband's true sexuality.............talk about walking on the edge of a sword.......

 

Oh, I know what they're feeling since I've participated in DPing a few girls/women in my time and even then, the other guy was feeling kinda weird that we'd feel our dicks against each other inside of her. It... feels pretty cool to feel the gliding against yours as you both fuck her; feels rather incredible to feel him cumming, his cock pulsing strongly against yours and maybe triggering your own release while she moans in ecstasy. It is easy to realize that it's not gay because both of you are in a woman's pussy so, there's that. Some guys have to be convinced that there's nothing gay happening... unless something really is.

It can be that the pussy is all that and then some and the poor sap is willing to do anything to keep getting it even if it means giving up his masculinity and freedom. She owns his ass and he will do anything she wants him to do just because of the promise of getting the pussy and it baffles the fuck out of me to see so many men thinking that being a cuck is a good thing when, if you know the history of the word and practice, it was anything but a good thing. I also get the impression that guys get into cuckolding so he can suck cock and partake of the bull's cum after it's been in her pussy because it's the only way he gets to express his desire for cock and if that's the only way he can get it, then he gets to watch a lot of men fucking his wife and she's enjoying the shit out of them and the closest you might get to getting the pussy is eating her lovers' cum out of her and in a cleanup role. The late, great Richard Pryor said in a routine, "A lack of pussy'll make a motherfucker crazy!" and he was spot-on with that.

I say that people who have never had pussy have no idea how good it is and the power it carries. Just like people who aren't into oral sex have no idea how fucking intimate it is - and that includes same-sex oral sex.

I wonder if the world is as homophobic as it used to be, say, when we were growing up? The homophobes are losing their war against homosexuality and their voices don't carry the weight they once did. Like that prince or whoever he was who decreed that all homosexuals were to be put to death immediately and, the next day, he recanted his command because the rest of the world crawled up his ass and in a hurry. There are homophobes; I personally haven't seen one in maybe 30 years, maybe more. I learned that what someone says isn't necessarily the truth of their words, like all the guys who act like homophobes when they're with the fellas but when he isn't, he's down with the dick and enjoying a sense of sexual freedom that straight dudes will never know due to their dislike of homosexuality. I know guys who say they ain't down like that and, to me, it means nothing because I've heard scores of men say that and... they know about dick like I do. Because I know what a lack of pussy will do to them.

I feel a great deal of sorrow for those men who don't have a woman who understands his need and that his need for cock has nothing to do with her; my heart goes out to them because either they already know they will never get permission or they don't know whether or not they can ask for it - and some won't ask out of fear of what she's going to want in return. I understand why they cheat and it's because it's the only option left open to them and is what drives their hunt for an FWB, which is still cheating on her but it's like they used to say back in the day: As long as he's not cheating on her with another woman, then it's not really cheating. Except it is and some wives would go ballistic to find out that her husband has a boyfriend and they've been having sex and, well, I hope you find a lawyer that's willing to represent you at the divorce.

I've had women try to put the kibosh on my bisexuality and they failed to do so. My first wife was more than okay with me being bi and I have always made it a habit to tell women up front that I'm bi... and how they react will tell me scores about them. I've had permission to get some dick for so long now that I don't even think about it - and I never had to ask for it; it was given to me and the real trick is that when you have permission, do not ever abuse it. So, it's not impossible to get or have it - just very damned unlikely. Those who fail to get it have two options: Cheat or suppression - now it's about selecting the lesser of two evils.

 

It would seem that (literally) not a few married guys are held hostage by their wives, if they want that pussy. As long as hubby obeys her every whim, no longer hangs out with his male buddies, or maybe made tp do menial household chores while a big ballgame is on the tube, as long as he can get into that pussy, a lot of men would gladly slave like peons.

A (late) "phone buddy" of mine (we shared the same hobby) whom I never met, I talked to on the phone for a number of years.

He owned his own business, and, to him, it was a sanctuary, for him to be "the master of his own domain", and not at the beck and call of (his words) "She who must be obeyed".

His wife relegated his workshop to an obscure corner of the basement, so she could fit out her private "she shed"(!!)

Yeah, he took a lot of crap from her, I'm sure, and he was only happy when at his store, talking to his customers, or, enjoying some "workbench time" when "She who must be obeyed" was out for a few hours.

Regarding pussy, one co-worker I've already told you about, literally, LIVED for pussy, and nothing else; he told a bud of his (I happened to be nearby, waiting to pick up some papers) whose wife was obviously "on the rag", that, "a REAL man nails that pussy even if the wife is on the rag. Fuck, nothing like 'period pussy'!"

Thankfully, I had eaten lunch an hour earlier, otherwise my appetite would have been ruined.

I found it exceptionally gross, but, then, hell, whatever floats your boat, no matter how raunchy.

I have read of "straight" guys forced to suck cock by their wife (or girlfriend), only to discover that they really enjoyed it (even I know there are guys who will eat out his wife after another guy just shot his load up there, and slurp out all his jizz as it oozes out)

Again, in layman's terms, "sex", by itself, is an easy, basic concept to grasp; but, when things like marriage, less-than-tolerant spouses, and bisexual urges enter the picture......yeah, things indeed start to get complicated.

You still hear about senseless attacks on gays in New York (well, New York has, sadly, really gone downhill anyway, the past 15-20 years, in general)

Again, WHY?

The guy sure as hell ain't looking to blow you (or fuck you) on the street; in fact, he's not even interested in you.

Why the perverse need to attack someone different than you?

Do you feel threatened?

Does it give you a feeling of power to beat the crap out of a total stranger?

Damned if I know.

Yeah, things can get pretty ugly out there, for sure.......