It's quite obvious that, lacking a crystal ball, none of us can forsee the future; many times, in later years, we find ourselves berating ourselves for missed chances, risks we wish had taken, things we wish we could have done differently. It is so important to be true to oneself, and not to ignore your true desires...........
But you can't second guess the decisions you made...you can have regrets, I suppose. Or you can make the best of it, and keep moving forward. I think I would make changes because I see life differently now than I did at 16 or 26. At 66, I have adult children and little grandchildren. If I'd chosen to go gay, no straight marriage, etc. I would not have them. When I was 26, it was unheard of in my world for a gay man, much less a gay couple to have children. 40 years later, it is a solid option. There were things I thought I wanted, and I can't have regrets when I look at and spend time with my family, for making it happen and getting what I wanted. I regret the pain I've caused my wife and myself. I don't regret facing the truth and accepting my sexual and emotional needs are also important to pursue, and not just what others think is (or was) the right way to go. So, honestly, I don't know what I would have done then with what I know now... because the view from here is different and full enough of good things mixed with the challenges. I think there could have been just as much or even more difficulties for me to get through if I'd gone a different way.
I'd pick your #2 option of a bi wife, but add playing with both the husband and wife of another bi couple. My first serious GF I introduced to the family was bi, but she got scared off that I was serious about her. I think she was just a bit too young at the time? But the sex was amazing with her and she loved it! She had a female coworker who talked about pegging her husband to her, and we went to a concert together. I think I missed out on the chance of telling her about my bi interests! But I was still kinda unsure myself about it then?
I just want a partner who is open and accepting, and loves sex. I don't care if she is a she or he is a he. just love me and make love with me. It's not easy to find someone like that - you guys who have it - count it a very good thing.
I’m happily married with two teenagers. I’ve always had the bi interest and I’ve met with guys here and there. The apps make it frighteningly easy. move been on a break from it for a while but I have this younger guy that I met who became obsessed and won’t leave me alone. We only met a few times and nothing for over a year. He started a career similar to mine (another company) which I have since surmised was part of the obsession. When I stopped communications he’s been harassing me constantly. He quit that job, and now works in a lower pid job and he blames me for it. He’s threatened to out me to my wife and says he wants to turn my life to ash. He really has it in my mind I owe him something but we were clear in meeting what the deal was. Despite the constant harassment he still asks if we can hook up again. Not sure if you’ve seen this before but not sure what to do.
Nathan: The best advice I could give you is to, simply, use your common sense, and not to underestimate your "gut feeling". There are some VERY unpredictable people out there, for sure, who will easily blackmail another if they do not get what they want. This character sounds like someone with some really serious issues. Again, stay calm, think rationally, and listen to your "gut" feeling........unstable, vindictive people like this are one of the prime reasons I've stayed totally celibate my entire live (I'm a masculine gay male, 66 years old) Keep us informed as to what transpires....certainly it all works out in your favor....... BTW: Welcome to the board!
Thanks. I’ve kept an email open for him so I can let him vent. I am unfailingly nice and despite the threats have never said anything nasty back. I think he has behavioral issues and could use a therapist. I’m working on him just losing interest and moving on.
I think that this a smart move on your part. I agree; this guy indeed has some behavioral/emotional issues, and certainly could would not be the kind of individual to get "involved" with, on ANY level....good luck in ridding yourself of this pathetic character.......
He may move on in time - I hope so, for your sake. It's scary, though - to think what damage he could try to cause for you. Sounds like you are doing your best to keep him at bay.
This misguided fellow could, indeed, very well "move on", for sure; however, he could also become more and more resentful of being ignored. Hopefully, he will just grow weary of this misguided charade, and simply vanish into the woodwork for good. I think Nathan is handling this very sensitive situation as best he can; in dealing with such an immature/needy person such as this, much care needs to be taken. Certainly hope that the "tide will turn" in his favor..............
You have encountered what most of us married guys fear the most, a bi/ gay version of the movie Fatal Attraction! My thinking is keep a record of his communications and especially threats of blackmail, which is a very illegal thing to do. Set up a camera with color night vision at your front door and mailbox, to see if he's stalking your home?
Suburbanray: VERY good advice, for certain. Being single and celibate my entire life, something of this nature is something I have often thought about, and then take solace in the fact that, even though I am totally alone (and always will be), I have no chance of being "outed" or, even worse, stalked by some misguided, unrelenting, low-life individual. A situation such as Nathan is now (sadly) encountering, is just one of the reasons why I have no interest whatsoever in trying to find a like-minded man, even just for friendship. These days, there are simply too many nut jobs out there, and, all too often, you CANNOT judge a book by its cover. This is something that, I, as a celibate, masculine, 66-year old gay man has always feared. I sure hope that Nathan's ongoing problem will soon be a thing of the past..........
He’s not a low life, he’s troubled. And he’s young which was my mistake. Youngsters are generally self absorbed. my hope is that given he hasn’t outed me so far, in what amounts to nearly a year, he’s won’t. He’s frustrated because he dropped his engineering job and is bussing tables. His choice - I had nothing to do with it. But he puts the blame at my feet. I think until he gets his career straight I will be the butt of his frustration. Of course, he’s still hooking up with other guys….
I hear you; a "troubled" person is indeed someone is needs some sort of professional helptherapy to help them get their lives "back on track". I would tend to agree with you; if he hasn't "outed" you by now, he probably never will. Still in all, he does bear watching, and it is important that you not let your guard down, no matter what. You said this guy is a young man; could it possibly be that he is still looking for a "daddy" figure in his life I'm only guessing here, but, then again, you never quite know what is going on within someone else's mind......
A good rule to follow: If a relationship "seems to good to be true", it probably is. Another: Never ignore your "gut feeling"; in many instances, it is more valid than you realize, especially relationship-wise; likewise, NEVER underestimate simple "common sense"........
.........when you men discovered you were sexually aroused by other men, I am sure that many of you tried to "dismiss" these urges and feelings, thinking that you might be "queer", and put all your focus into females,not wanting to be thought of as a "fag"(labeling is not only distasteful, it's ignorant and hurtful) Then again, I am sure many of you, at an early age, found out that you were strongly attracted to BOTH genders. Did you finally admit to yourself that you were not going to let your desires "define" who you were, and simply enjoy relations with both men and women, and toss being "labeled" aside?
I can’t say I would change anything. My wife is a wonderful person, even though she has lost her sex drive. I love her. And I can satisfy my sexual desires elsewhere.
It took a long time to admit any of this to myself, much less anyone else... I look back and almost laugh at how blind or stupid or naive I was... I don't know why I thought attractions to the same sex was wrong - I don't recall ever being told it was, or being directed away from any evidence I might be gay. It is weird, though. I had lots of nighttime jerk off sessions over guys I knew. I had a lot of "boy-crushes" I did not understand as sexual. I just knew I was feeling something for them, and that something often ended up with me jerking off. I don't know why I didn't think of it as same sex attraction but I knew it was something I needed to keep to myself. My secret. Even when it seemed evident to me that others knew my secret, I denied it. I was never confident with dating, and I rarely had a girlfriend that would be a "steady". a few dates here and there - and that's it. In retrospect, now I know I was not overly attracted to the opposite sex. I enjoyed looking at girls, and liked to look at playboy or even sexy calendar girls - but I don't remember, once I was into puberty and my teen years, ever jerking off over a girl - it was always the boys... I was immensely curious about the boys' anatomy. I chalked it up to being an only child. I wonder how things would have gone if I'd had brothers or sisters. In my early and mid-20s, I tried to come out as gay - and I had a couple of more serious relationships with men. They ended badly and left me feeling like this was not how life should go. I decided to go back in the closet and live life as a straight man. I was married for many years. But, truth is, for me anyway I am much more gay than straight - I still think I have opposite sex attractions but I don't act on them, and once I finally admitted it to myself, and started living out my truth, I no longer cared about labels or what others thought. It feels good to just be myself.
Papa: An EXCELLENT posting; I am sure many fellows have shared your very experiences. Long before I knew of the meaning of "sexual", I already knew I was only attracted to males. I used to spend a LOT of "quality" time eagerly browsing through the men's underwear section of the old SEARS catalogues, and, every so often, ESQUIRE (if I happened across a copy when visiting someone who had a subsription); the ads for "Kangaroo" jockey briefs in this magazine always featured a VERY hairy, HANDSOME hunk in TIGHT briefs and a T-shirt......let's just say he was the "star" of many early j/o sessions! Ditto Glen Campbell and Robert Redford, for sure! Anyway, I knew I was only attracted to males long before I began hearing the stupid, hurtful monikers such as "queer", "fag", "homo", etc. As you know I am TOTALLY celibate (and always have been; being bashed by a friend/coworker back in 1986 simply for admitting I was gay.was one of the many reasons I decided not to try to "make a connection" with a close buddy/potential life partner. "Man-crushes": man, I've had too many too count over the years (and still do), the most serious was the one I had on my best friend Jim, who I worked with a number of years before he retired. He was TOTALLY 100% straight (married, on wife #2), and not the SLIGHTEST bit bi-curious.. This big, hulking Italian guy KNEW I (not surprisingly) REALLY was turned on by him, and he always took it good-naturedly; we became as close as brothers, and used to have a lot of crazy adventures together, over the years......though I very honored with the tight emotional bond we had, man, did I want the SEXUAL, and STILL fantasize about him today (RIP, he is now gone 13 years) I always thought the term "gay" to be totally "off-course" for describing a man who is turned on by other males. "Gay", many, many years ago, USED to mean "happy"; well, let me tell you,my friend, being gay (at least for me) has been anything BUT happy Thankfully, I have many hobbies that keep me busy. Anyway, I just take one day at a time. I am man enough to admit that I could never handle being in a relationship that the other guy suddenly broke off. I've weathered many a storm in my 66 years, but something of that magnitude I KNOW I could not deal with. To those gay men with faithful, supportive, loving partners, I say :"You are luckier than you realize; never take what you have for granted"..................