Beware the Fascist-Liberal Hardline

Bringing up the title of the thread as part of your argument might work if I was the one who created the thread. I'm not, so this point is irrelevant.

Because ceding a point to the opposition means you lose the entire debate. And since when do you debate? You just hurl insults at people like a pissed off teenager and quote the internet without doing any actual research. By the way, are you going to address fact that I discredited the author of the 14 points of whatever thing you posted by spending a few minutes on Google? Or are we pretending that didn't happen?

No, I'm disagreeing with you because I don't see the world the same way you do. Simple as that.

Also, calling the opposition stupid is a nice touch. That's the old RJ we know and tolerate.

If I can't quote Wikipedia in a paper in a college class, I can question it's validity. Anyone can edit Wikipedia. You need to take it with a grain of salt.

By the way, here's the same Wikipedia entry you quoted. I actually skimmed through it, which seems to be more than you did. Particularly this section you HIGHLIGHTED.

"Influenced by national syndicalism, the first fascist movements emerged in Italy around World War I, combining elements of left-wing politics with more typically right-wing positions, in opposition to communism, socialism, liberal democracy and, in some cases, traditional right-wing conservatism. Although fascism is usually placed on the far right on the traditional left-right spectrum, fascists themselves and some commentators have argued that the description is inadequate.[13][14]"

When did I do that? I merely pointed out that some socialist governments operate like fascists, suppressing free speech and individual rights with military and police force. I'm not saying that all socialist governments do that, or that all socialists are in support of government thugs bashing in the heads of those who dare to dissent. Just some. I don't think anyone would deny that. Some socialist governments use fascist tactics. Are you going to try to deny that?

Of course you are. And I also know that you aren't going to address the fact that the author of that chain mail you posted here isn't an actual doctor or even close to being a political expert.

 

You seem to be saying that the Republicans have become little more than arm of the Democrat party. Both parties DO seem to want to control the money and when fewer people are employed providing government with revenue, its hard to keep providing the growing number of dependents without borrowing and debt, but instead government is intent on increasing the provisions.

 

Thanks for proving my point again miss fascist. Argue on. You can disagree with the fourteen points of fascism till you're blue in the face, but it won't change what fascists are, and only exposes your right wing mentality. Dismissing it as "chain mail", is typical of right wing denial. And trying to dance around the fact that the tittle of the thread is an oxymoron, still proves your obstinate right wing arrogance. You are a perfect example, that there's no cure for stupid.

 

Resorting to insults such as calling me a stupid fascist. You're a perfect example of how someone without an argument makes an argument. Once someone resorts to insulting the person they're arguing with, they've lost. You lost a long time ago. Congratulations.

Also, another congratulations is in order for you finding a thesaurus. The word stubborn would work just as well as obstinate as they mean the same thing, but using words that most people don't makes you look smarter, right?

 

Victoria1987.........I spent a good deal of my youth fighting fascists,I think I know what they are & do & do not represent. Please read the above.

 

Fascism is the right of Conservatism, Socialism is to the left of Liberalism. You guys need to get fucking educations. Not everyone, just those of you who continue this myth that liberalism is Fascist. It's just not. Just because it seems like that to you doesn't mean you're correct. You're not.

 

The outcomes of both are the same. To have socialism and fascism, you need centralized, authoritarian control. These are usually achieved by the same means. Therefore, I see little difference between the end result of socialism and the end result of fascism. Usually the case is that socialism results in fascism.

Right and left, in reality, is only a matter of centralized vs. decentralized control. So from that way of looking at it, fascism and socialism operate hand-in-glove.

 

and men are really women because they have nipples

 

Liberalism is tyranny. (total government control.) I never had a problem with Liberals, until Obama took office; Now they just agree with whatever he says/does. They jump on his bandwagon whether its healthcare or disarmament- Liberals sheepishly follow their leader!

 

I thought it was decided that Obama wasn't a 'Liberal' (in the black and white sense of the word)

 

Oh so you guys FINALLY rejected him? Cause I remember the very same people who hate him post-NSA, defending him during his many, many other Constitutional Violations; So, again, I believe you guys have a perceived idea that Liberals care about the poor etc. When their policies are still bankrupting this nation, and nothing has got done socially, that I think I and even Liberals would like to see. (Ending the drug war, government getting out of marriage etc.)

But my problem is the (typical) "Liberals" means on how to arrive at peace. Liberals, much like republicans, means freedom for them only. They want to restrict our gun rights and make it impossible for us to defend ourselves from tyrants (restrictions on clips etc.) furthermore, (and this point hasn't been refuted yet) The US government wastes our money follishly (sending trillions overseas) yet, Liberals support taxing more. Anyone who has ever played sim city knows people are gonna be pissed. However, most can't just "move out" of America like they can your virtual city. We are over taxed already. I would rather keep every dime I've ever given to our broken government, in exchange for each shitty monopoly "service" I've been forced to pay for. Conversely Liberal Ideologies leave no room for people like me, you'd rather FORCE me to pay through police with guns.

The irony and hypocrisy is sooo absurd; If you believe in freedom, let people at least opt out if they want to. What the difference if it's 313 million or 300 million people on healthcare? There is none. One-size fits all government monopolies are not a good idea. We have enough of them, and none of them benefit me. I would love to see every dime I've ever given to government back to me, and they can keep their BS social security and one-size fits all world.

 

Bravo man! These right wing morons think they're getting an education from FUX NEWS.

 

Seems simple enough, doesn't it?

 

Fascism operates on government coercion. Liberal / conservative ; left / right ; the current regime is coercive , thus fascist. Above postees can shill for the left ad nausium however the jihadist in chief is using coercive means to furthur his goal of islamo global socialism.

 

er...So now we've got 'Fascist Socialism'? Does not make sense mate.

 

Yeah, and I'm wondering about the islamo part. What does that mean?

 

It's tyrannical-socialism.. Social Imperialism if-you-will. We have businesses who controll the world, and our politicians, but the people have the illusion of "choice" between two corperate dickheads.

 

Yep. Spot on , Stp. While the petty euros scoff at us ; we have seen utter failure in their feable attempts to defend themselves against muslem and financial terror. These smug "mates" will soon be clad in mandatory hijabs. LOL.

 

I agree totally. President Assad of Syria said that his fight was against terrorism that has been funded by France.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdH4JKjVRyA"]Assad to RT: 'I'm not Western puppet - I live and die in Syria' (EXCLUSIVE) - YouTube

Also, it was recently reported his army found chemical agents in hollowed out granade shells that said "made in Saudi Arabia" and that's another country that wants war with syria.

 

Gaddafi also said "I am fighting Al Qaeda" and we didn't listen, and put Al Qaeda in power in Libya, Iraq and, everywhere we interveine. It causes blowback, and more people start hating us, and taking up arms against us.