bernie sanders

Then its abused and things should be adjusted. It doesn't mean taxes should be done away with as a whole or are extortion by definition. Tax can be (a form of) extortion, that's true.

 

well i'd say with about 85% confidence that meme was made by a republican trying to make bernie look stupid anyway.

 

If it's goverment funded the people can vote and pressure for a service to change. If the English are not happy with the NHS for example they can vote for a politician who will fix the system. Same ideas as any topic in a goverment that we vote on.

What we don't see if affordable healthcare in the USA now in a free market gang bang like you support. You would think with your logic someone would be doing organ transplants for $500 with only $19.99 down. Volume for profit in the style of big box stores. We do so many transplants we profit and make it so business friendly any insurance in America will pay for it. So you don't even need $19.99 since we are such smart free market guys.

Why has your economic system not done this when it's the center piece of your world view? For some reason even though the market has a need the private sector does not fill it. It is greed the corrupter of free market innovation.

I don't think you have a strong background in economics. You listen to the Rogan's and Alex Jones of the world are repeat their talking points. It shows.

 

neither logical nor true. is this trying to say there was no taxation at all, prior to 1913. lololololololol.

i can tell you what there was prior to then though: most people not trying to make everything have to be about money that they did nothing to add value to.

 

I take that back. Forget the chicken meme. Let's hear it from Bernie himself. He thinks public funded education is "free."

But sure, it's just a 'misrepresentation' of what a public good/service really is.



If Bernie is ACTUALLY fully aware that public goods are NOT free. Then he's a propagandist through and through.

Yeah, student-loan-debt-free tuition sounds great. Except for the fact that once you're done with college, you'll be paying everyone else's student loan debt for the rest of your working life through taxation. I'd prefer we all pay off our own debts and getting that out of the way, thank you very much.

 

Actually it is true. The Revenue Tax act was passed in 1913, and the 16th amendment was passed a couple years later. The Fed was also created in 1913.

Yes we paid taxes before 1913. But income tax and fiat currency did not exist.

 

You're totally right. Bernie should say "a publicly funded education" every time and then answer every time when they ask what he means by that, and then have them tell him that essentially he means "free right?"

 

Then how come the people have never been able to vote out corporate welfare?

Everyone has greed. Humans are greedy by nature. It was your greed that prompted you to go to school to earn yourself a profitable degree in the hard sciences. It was your greed that prompted you to go out and seek a job in a competitive field. And it is your employer's greed that allowed them to open up a paying position to hire you, put your skills to work. And allow them to turn over a greater profit. You are trading your time spent helping your employer, in exchange for a payment and benefits. This is how capitalism works.. It utilizes one of the 7 deadly sins of humanity for the betterment of society. Whereas socialism foolishly wages war against greed, while the ruling class gains more power and entrepreneurial and working classes perish.

See exhibit A:

 

When his whole argument in that video involves comparing it to k5 - 12th grade education, which hopefully everyone knows is tax payer funded, then hopefully those of us with a few brain cells to rub together can then assess that he is also referring to tax payer funded higher education

Or did you not understand what he's saying because you didnt realize public education is publically funded? Aww thought you had a free ride, did ya? Typically millenial always looking for a handout

 

It utilizes one of the seven deadly sins?! Well why didn't you say so!

 

memes are really the Sigmund couch of the modern age. Demystifying and illuminating the corners of the human mind, and revealing exactly what those pesky liberals are thinking. truely an infallible and invaluable psychoanalytic tool.

 

And people say you guys wanna take us back to the 50's.

 

No, the whole argument is that Bernie is calling tax funded programs "free" when they are not.

The difference between k-12 education and college is the fact that one lasts 13 grades, the other could be infinite. When you make all forms of college education debt free and taxpayer funded, a student can take classes forever, fail those classes, and the rest of us who DIDN'T take the class have to pay for their fuck ups. Yeah that sounds like a sustainable model.

 

Where are you going with this?

 

The 60s

 

The 50s weren't a perfect time, but they had a lot of things going right that are going wrong today. The divorce rate was less than 25%, compared to +50% today. The cost of living was much lower in that the minimum wage was enough to provide for a 1-child family. Fewer children were born out of wedlock. Schools weren't putting kids on amphetamines and behavior control drugs. More people were getting married before 30. Masculinity for boys and femininity for girls wasn't frowned upon. There were no arguments on new gender pronouns. Doctors did house calls. And more.

 

If thats the whole argument you're really streeeetching to have an argument. Anyways he usually says tuition free. In the video you shared it wasnt neccessary to nuance it because he had already nuanced it by comparing it to tax funded public k5-12 education

As for your second argument, i'm not sure why you would assume it would work like that. It doesnt even work like that now. You cant take a class an unlimited number of times, even as a self pay student

 

When I failed one class in college, I had to pay to retake it again and get the F off my GPA. When the taxpayers fund all college classes, it takes away the financial consequences of failing a class, or even trying very hard.

And even then, it still doesn't change the fact that Bernie shouldn't be calling this shit "free."

 

You loose the goverment funding for college if you fail the class too many times in most European countries. You then have to pay yourself. Sanders wants a Euro model.

6 people already thought of this stuff.

 

Where's your meme?

You obviously realize how much the worlds changed since 1912... in 1912 The government funded everything before than from tariffs. Tariffs are a regressive tax, more is payed by the poor. There were no highways, there were no airports, women couldn't vote, student enrollment was 72% and ended after 8th grade, lynching were at a peak, and life expectancy was 51.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_14.pdf

I mean you may have to remember a few extra pronouns to be polite and children may be medicated for mental health issues you don't understand the pharmacology of, but It seems like you're romanticizing the past.

Not that I don't understand a little bit. The US is kind of a nanny state.