Bernie can't pay his staff $15/hr

Discussion in 'Politics' started by 6-eyed shaman, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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  2. It is all a matter of being cheap. Bernie Sanders is a cheap ass
     
  3. I like how people just read headlines that are immediately contradicted by the actual content of the article...and just pretend the headline is where it's at. That's productive. Americans are a bright shining star in the void of the civilized world.
     
  4. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Salerie employment and over 40 hours worked is not the same things as under 15 an hour. I'm familiar with this concept. An employees total skill set is worth a certain amount of money. We hope it's not over 40 hours but with some types of work it's easier to just pay a lump sum and get "free" overtime.

    Sanders is paying $15 to certain workers and a salary for others. The total hours worked for salary is over 40 and breaks down to under 15 an hour.

    People making 15 an hour or minnium wage are usualy not in the skill set to get salary offers. 6's link while "accurate" really words in such a short and biases way. It's the headline anti-Sanders people want. It's not an ideal employment situation. Campaigning is a 24 hour a day job at this point. Overall I think Sanders still has the right idea on wages.

    The controversy over Bernie Sanders’s low-paid field staffers, explained

    But capitalism abhors a vacuum, so over time, more and more low-paid workers found themselves in the category of being salaried and ineligible for overtime. The Obama administration tried to tackle this with a Labor Department regulation mandating overtime for anyone earning less than $47,000, but it was challenged in court and the Trump administration elected not to defend the rule, instead writing a new rule that set the threshold at $35,000. At an annual salary just below that threshold, Sanders’s field staff would be collecting lots of overtime and thus earning more than $36,000, but instead, their salary was pegged (perhaps not coincidentally) to be just above the exempt threshold.


    This is, of course, just the Sanders campaign operating by the rules as written. It’s fairly normal in political life to have a candidate conduct himself according to the existing rules even if he favors changing the rules.



    Beyond the question of campaign optics, however, this is exactly the point that opponents of minimum wage increases are always making — if you force employers to pay more, they’re going to respond by cutting back elsewhere.

    If Sanders increases the compensation for his field staff, he might end up needing to employ fewer field staffers. Alternatively, he might need to cut back on other areas of expense like travel, staging rallies, or running television ads. It would be misleading to say, as minimum wage opponents sometimes do, that some iron law of supply and demand dictates a cutback on field staff. It does seem plausible that making field more expensive would mean a campaign does less field, but they do have a range of options available to them.

    It’s just that if you’re someone who wants Bernie Sanders to be elected president, none of the available options is all that attracti




     
  5. It's totally just a clickbait story people can use to try and disparage Sanders with a headline. Nobody's got any real dirt on him, but for some reason everyone would rather toil in the muck of filthy politics than support the genuine article. It says a lot about our country.
     
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    Don't need no stupid headline to discourage me from Bernie panders..
     
  7. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    Vote #Bernie they said.
    It'll be good they said.
     
  8. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Well considering I could name several things he supports that are a part of the German goverment yes it is indeed good. You live with these good things every day.
     
  9. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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  10. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Says in the article though, the workers joined a union, took a salary instead of casual rates, If they work 60 hours a week, it works out less than $15 an hour. D'uh

    I seriously doubt the job will last more than 12 months, so why take a salary?

    And why are they working 20 hrs free overtime a week?; either they are pressured into it or they are doing so because they care about him getting elected. If its the former, then whats the use of the union if it cant do anything

    Guarantee at the tail end of the campaign, casuals will be getting paid per hour, salaried workers will be doing 80 hrs a week, 40 hrs free overtime
     
  11. Okiefreak

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    The Congressional Budget Office released an analysis of “The Effects on Employment and Family Income of Increasing the Federal Minimum Wage”
    In 2025:
    • A $15 option would raise the wages of the 17 million workers who would otherwise earn less than $15 per hour, and possibly another 10 million workers otherwise earning slightly more than $15 per hour. The number of people with annual income below the poverty threshold would fall by 1.3 million. But 1.3 million other workers would probably become unemployed. There is a two-thirds chance that the change in employment would be between about zero and a decrease of 3.7 million workers.
    • A $12 option would have lesser effects--increasing wages for 5 million workers, and possibly another 6 million workers otherwise earning slightly more than $12 per hour, with 0.3 million other workers becoming unemployed. The number of people below the poverty threshold would fall by 0.4 million. There is a two-thirds chance that the change in employment would be between about zero and a decrease of 0.8 million workers.
     
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  12. wilsjane

    wilsjane Nutty Professor HipForums Supporter

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    A few years ago, when the chairman of a major PLC announced the company profits as several million at the annual shareholders meeting. a representative of the unions stood up and asked for a 50p per hour salary increase for all employees.
    The company accountant quickly multiplied 0.5, times 35, times, 52, times the total number of employees and it showed that it would have more than wiped the profits out and put the organisation into receivership.

    If Bernie Sanders sold 2 of his 3 houses and shared the money between all of his employees, I wonder how much money each of them would receive. ???
    Just a thought. Perhaps one of you living in the US could give us the answer.
     
  13. Flagme15

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    Is $15 a stop gap measure? As the CoL rises will 15 become 20?
     
  14. Meliai

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    Minimum wage was always meant to keep up with inflation, but it hasn't been raised in several years and therefore hasn't kept up like it was designed to do
     
  15. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes

    and it's kind of sad you either refuse to admit that or truly don't understand how the German goverment works.
     
  16. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    Ah well if that makes me sad that makes me sad then but I'll tell you one thing, I've never needed the government to hold my hand so all policies and politics to me are void and useless. I work, I get taxed what I get taxed. I pay my rates. I pay my bank. That's all I need to do in life. Everything else is fluff.
     
  17. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Do you pay your doctor out of your own pocket? Did you attend college or university? Did you pay for it yourself?
     
  18. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    Yes I pay the doctor myself. Yes I went to Sydney University and paid for it myself.
     
  19. Meliai

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    Do you opt to do a private insurance plan?

    (I'm just asking out of curiosity, not trying to argue lol. I'm just always interested in how healthcare works in other countries. I know Germany has a multiplayer system but is mostly government funded, but that's all I really know)
     
  20. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    No, private health insurance for me is too expensive as I need to select plastic surgery for my eye problems. Basically, for what I would have to pay in insurance, I'm better off putting 50 aside each week in a seperate fund and let it accumulate until the day I need to spend it on my contact lenses or a specialist visit.

    Atm I'd be spending more in insurance than it's worth annually than what I'd "get back" or discounted. Seeing as my lenses last 2-5 years, I can easily manage this with our medical fund of 50 a week.
     

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