Yeah, I wish there could be 3 Americas...You live over there with trump as your leader...you live over there with Hillary as your leader...and we will live over here with Sanders as our leader......oh, what a perfect world that would be.
Bernie started a revolution he cannot stop Crowd: Feel the Bern! Bernie! Bernie! Sanders: We all need to vote for Hillary Clinton Crowd: Booo! Fuck you we want Bernie!
Could have had someone even better than FDR even....but the US is too stupid for the most part.. oh, well....
I appreciate your attempt at humor, however the correct quote for Sanders was: I didn't hear the f word used by the crowd. This is an example of people who don't understand what's at stake in this election, Bernie does. They put their trust in Bernie, but then stab him in the back when he uses his intellect, which is one of the things they admire about him, and his passion to tell them that Trump is a disaster and Hillary Clinton is a much better candidate, and will make a much better President than Trump. So the key words were "any objective observer". Clearly these protesters are not objective and have succumbed to their emotions. They aren't really interested in advancing Bernie's message, they're just engaged in the politics they claim to abhor. Booing their candidate was rude and just shows how shallow they really are and how little they really understand. As A Bernie supporter I am embarrassed and feel they should be denounced.
Talk about objectivism MeAgain They stab him in the back when he uses his intellect... seems a pretty subjective interpretation to me. Maybe they are acting like this because they feel 'stabbed in the back'. When you claim they aren't interested in advancing Bernie's message and their booing shows how shallow they are and how little they understand I just hear another person like them equally frustrated because you guys disagree and don't see the logic in eachother's choice. It is clear Bernie's message has slightly changed. So it is very logical not every Sanders supporter goes along with that. To regard them as shallow and put it as if they just don't understand it is pretty much acting like a crybaby Keep in mind, a lot of those Bernie supporters are in a different phase of their life as you. They don't care as much about the things you care most about. That they have a longer breath because they are younger causes them to have different priorities and views on what should happen in politics. I understand maybe more easily (speculating) because I often agree with them. You don't agree with them so they look shallow and seem to lack understanding. Uhm, this could actually count for a part of them. Not every Bernie, Hillary or Trump supporter is the same or in it for the exact same reasons of course or is really as politicially engaged and up to date on how things work. But to put it as if every Bernie supporter that doesn't go along with his call to back Clinton is shallow or something is, well, pretty much retarded. I don't feel like I'm even charging things with that description.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I doubt very seriously Bernie Sanders feels stabbed in the back by the boos/walk out/protests/DemExit (stupid word, but whatever) based on a couple of basic premises he reiterated throughout his campaign - 1) Democracy is messy, or at least it should be. 2) he doesnt believe in leaders or followers, he believes in grassroots movements and political change from the bottom up.
Ya know something, I actually feel bad for the Bern victims. All kidding aside. While I disagree with Bernienomics, I can relate to Sanders supporters as grassroots activists who for the first time in their lives for many of them, they had an anti-establishment candidate who wasn't part of the status quo, and shared many of their perceptions and beliefs. I can see myself in them. They fought hard to spread the message of Bernie, and it was very popular. The only thing that stood in the way was the status quo democrats. I became a registered voter in 2008 only to vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul started a movement within the corruption and status quo of the GOP. Paul's campaign was silenced and pushed off to the side. Fox News excluded him from debates. The whole thing was rigged against him and his delegates he won were barred from the conventions in 2012. I was pissed off with the RNC forever. To this day, Ron Paul still has active grassroots movements that spun off from his presidential campaigns. Yet unlike Sanders who endorsed Clinton, Ron Paul refused to endorse the bad guys, McCain and Romney in both years. It was more than just an election and winning it for a broken-down corrupt party, it was about principle. Furthermore, I can relate to their outrage with Bernie selling out and endorsing the enemy; I was pissed off when I learned wacky Rand Paul endorsed Mitt Romney.
Well Asmo maybe I should have said they're stabbing their party in the back...but I don't think they make Sanders look real good when they boo him as he tries to bring unity to the party he was running for President in. I may be wrong but I don't remember Hillary supporters booing her when she supported Barrack after she lost the candidacy. I don't know that all the hecklers were young but when the person you support publicly asks you to transfer your energy to another candidate for the good of the party and the nation, I feel it is extremely rude to heckle him on national TV and supply the man who he feels should not be President under any circumstance ammunition to defeat a women he has worked with and who has agreed to compromise with him and include many of his ideas into her platform. I'm not criticizing their reluctance to support Hillary, I'm criticizing their bad manners and lack of respect for their candidate. That is shallow, I voted for Bernie and have been following him for a few years but I would not heckle him in public for calling for unity. That was wrong.
You are assuming that Bernie sold out. I agree that many of his supporters are upset, that's no reason to show disrespect to the man they admired. So he lost and they expect him to stamp his feet and refuse to endorse Hillary, that would be real classy. He didn't lose because the system was rigged, the Nevada claim of fraud was disproven, he outspent Clinton 2 to 1 dispelling claims of Wallstreet big money influencing the primary, he didn't lose because of DNC tricks, he lost because Hillary got more votes as Bernie couldn't get black and Latinos to support him and he didn't lose because the super delegates wouldn't overturn the will of the people...they never have in the past, why should they now? These hecklers don't understand the Democratic process, they feel their man should be the nominee even though he didn't get enough votes! WTF? Is that Democracy? Is that how we run elections? Bernie lost and he knows it...he did the honorable thing and endorsed Clinton, just as I expected him to do. He's in it for the country, not personal gain. These hecklers are in it for themselves. I feel sorry for them as they don't even know how elections are run.
Yes I believe he deceived his supporters. He made it clear that Hillary was deep in the pockets of Wall Street and unfit to run the country. And he's right. I believe that if Hillary didn't cheat with the help of Wasserman Shultz, the primaries would have had much different results. Hillary might've still won, but at least it would have been a clean and honest victory. The fact that she cheated the system makes it that much worse, and a division of the democratic party is now necessary. They shot themselves in the foot by taking their reliable young people voter demographic for granted. Now they pay the price. If Hillary won with an honest victory, I think more (but not all) of Bernie's voters would support her. Ron Paul did the right thing by not endorsing any of the GOP nominees because principle and morality prevails over party. Nope, the fact he is endorsing the person who cheated him out makes him a cuck. Principle and morality prevails over partisan head nodding. Interestingly enough, Ted Cruz has more principle than Bernie Sanders for refusing to endorse Trump at the convention, even when the crowd booed and chanted him down.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/jane-sanders-why-bernie-voters-shouldnt-get-over-it-w431428 This is a really, really good interview with Sander's wife Jane. She does such a great job of explaining how hard she and Bernie have been pushing the Democratic platform since the end of the primaries and how hard they plan to work to hold them accountable to their promises. I would love to see her run for office, I've always thought Bernie was great at speaking in abstractions while Jane is better at breaking it down in concrete terms. Pains me to admit this, but this interview would be enough to convince me to hold my nose and vote for Hillary if I lived in a swing state - because she really gives you the sense that she and Bernie won't let Hillary get away with veering too far away from their platform. But i live in a red state so it doesnt matter anyways She and her husband are really the most humble, sincere people in politics.
It only looks like that if we go by this one example. But if you think Ted Cruz has more principle than Bernie, ok. Well, they're at least the most visible ones. I agree, even though it is unlikely they will win. Maybe sounds silly to you, but I'm dead serious.
Pressed Rat, I don't take seriously arguments from people who post "lol" in debate. You won't be working in a coal mine in 2017 that has not been inspected because Republicans took the White House instead of Democrats. You won't be a woman in need of birth control. Nor an atheist watching their taxes be used to support church-owned schools. Please, get involved in issues and care about issues. If you do, you won't feel so superior to those who vote.
Is that supposed to motivate him? I'm sure hanging on to that imaginary superiority would suit him much better.
I hope I wasn't too hard on the rodent, but not voting is not cool. No one gets all they want in politics, so you get what you can. History's leson is that all the Marxist societies ever created had their own politics, and that anarchism doesn't exist in the real world.
