Berkeley - it has started - we need to support their decision about banning marines

I'm sorry for strong words but what you're saying was 20 wars ago and it has nothing to reality. Pearl harbor is quite new event and still there is few 'not officially spoken' facts. But I have impression that US people can wake up again (as it was 40 years ago) - each time it will be stronger movement. Especially when economy will dramatically break down. Ron Paul should be president, he doesn't look shity anymore, he's awaken or something...

 

'conspiracy' is not equal to 'conspiracy'. You may believe that there was no human on the Moon because 'flag is waving on the wind' (it is not moving in fact) or...
you might believe that WTC 7 was demolished when fire crew shouted after evacuation 'we're pulling it down!', interviewed owner of that building 'we had to pull it down', it went down exactly like explosives were put on the 15 main center pillars and they said in news and radio about it that.
propaganda said it didn't happen.
oh well - it didn't happen

 

It has everything to do with reality. What do you think would happen if we didn't have a military? We would be the world's bitch. Peace and sunflowers is a nice dream, but not a reality. The world is a cold and harsh place.

 

It is global. The law of stronger. But now world is closer, distances are smaller, populations are mixing and understanding of alien faiths is rising. Thus the military force is not necessary. More arms more troubles, 1 per 1oo bullets finds its target. USA, China, Rosja, everywhere. Gun market should be banned by international law. Not only chem, bio and radio. If that will be possible by unity- global government where science not military plays first violin I'll go for it. That doesn't mean stay defenceless. That means not to deal with weapons. Since we have everything inside out - global village. You said that you would like to emigrate. Good idea, you'll gain experience, learn language.

 

So you want Ron Paul to be president. But you want to do away with guns? You do know he's against gun control right? You do know he's against "no child left behind" right? You do know he's pro-life right?

Military force IS necessary. How can you say that we shoulddn't be defensless, but we should do away with firearms and bombs? What, should we use slinghsots and baseball bats? The necessity for a military is an inconvenient truth, but it's still a truth. What do you think this country would be like without a military? Especially after 9/11, when we uncovered and prevented more terrorist attacks that were to procede the WTC attacks? Remeber that anthrax? Osama would be taking a shit on the white house lawn right now.

Your ideas of a weapon free, completely tolerant global society are great and I share them. But it's not reality. Understanding of alien faiths are definately not rising. Look how many people hate Obama because they think he is a Muslim? Maybe you don't realize it, but the war we're in is based on a radical sect of a religion.

You obviously believe every piece of conspiracy you hear, judging by your recent statements and the crossed out dollar bill in your avatar.

 

About R. Paul I have such feelings, yes. But I'm not exactly pro-life, population over the world should be controlled, 7 billions is even too much as for small Earth. But I do not respect war as a resolution. In civilised world birth control and anticonception is a correct resolution.

Atomic shield in Poland and Czech. Because of that project which will cost trumendous civilisational effort and will create terrible results that might even be worse that you can imagine. This project without the future (Polish premier will never agree on it) will be the target for Polish anarchists (we have loads of anarchists in Poland and surrounding, I'm also A). We will never agree for US soldiers to enter our borders without a fight (yes there will be Polish terrorist attacks).
oh, I had to write on other topic. Russia reacts: they sold weapons to Wenezuela because of thet shield, they will put bombers on Quba.

I do not belive in everything, I'm very sceptical. I'm sceptical about a legend from Bible about exodus of Juish people. Some historicans says that I never had happend. Creation of Izreal was act of terror on Palestinians and they are treathened all the time since 50 years. USA took Palestine, China took Tibet 50 years ago. Terror.
Irak now looks terrible, not the same country from where our fathers were sending postcards while working in 1970-80. But Irak nation do not exists anymore. Muslim people were friendly to polish people, many our scientists and enginiers were working that time. But soon after Regan started sending money to Saddam to fight Iranians. Everything started to complicate. There were money also for Talibans to fight Russians. Talibans created Al Kaida soon after.
I see here law of Karma - every bad energy send outward will return to you with increased strenght.

What if it appear that WTC 7 was detonated in secret. Just suppouse. Will that change you way of thinking? Will you start to be more sceptical about what govenment says? I Realy curious.

As you see I'm strong believer: I believe that world is not only material, I believe in Karma, magic, love, bla bla bla
But from the other side I'm super sceptical about politicals and millitarists.

I agree that emmigrants who came to N. America on the ships would never have this land without fight. They fighted with native landlords first. Thay had no future in Europe because of hunger or were criminals or banned. Then there was slavery. African people had hell on the Earth for 100-200 centuries. Only Zulu and Masay had enough courage to fight with spears against rifles. War, war, war....

Muslim people are somehow respected in UK. Tollerance is effect of high culture. War is for animals. I don't see anything about honour in it. It's shity.

 

Aum....we are animals. Members of the great ape family.

Al-Queda and the Taliban are 2 different things. The only thing they have in common is their respective association with Osama Bin Laden. Sorry man, but without war, one power would rule the world. Imagine if there was no WWII. Can you say mass concentration camps? I'm not saying it's right. But I accept it because it's the way of the human species.

Yea, I would be skeptical if I found some substantial proof that WTC 7 was bought down on purpose. Trust me, I've seen zeitgeist and all that shit.

The UK may be tolerant, but that's nothing more that a sliver of the entire world. I'm black, I live in teh southern US, and I can definately tell you that tolerance is NOT on teh rise here.

 

You would all be speaking russian right now if it wasn't for our armed forces, ungrateful fucks.

I think military recruiters should have equal rights to show what they have to offer, which is quite a bit. free school.... NOTHING looks better on an application than a stint in the marines, because if you could do that you can do pretty much anything.

I just think it's funny how you all say stupid stuff like "war mongering neo-conservatives"

Berkeley is probably full of pussies in the first place, I don't know why marines would bother recruiting there in the first place.

 

Russian? We all born before 1979 are speaking Russian. 5 years in primary school improved many Russian movies and cartoons and people. Yes I can speak Russian also and I'm proud of it.
If you're talking about a II WW I don't think that Europe would not defend it against Germans itself. The war could take longer but finally justice always wins.
I don't have much idea about what historical period you are talking about?
About Russification?
Poland owes nothing to US army. US army stopped in Berlin during the war. But why you're speaking about Russians?
There was a period in central Europe that middle counties were threatened with Russification and Germanisation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification
but it had nothing to do with USA. Totally nothing

In my opinion in you case is just a allergy about a Russians. Like antysemits have allergy on Jews. Maybe because of that 'allergy' US wants to create US marines bases 150 km from Russian border in Poland. This insane conception already created huge chaos in the world. 1000 tons of guns were sold on the world just as effect of that conception already. Venezuela for example just few days ago.

nowadays warrior is a thug without a honour. MERCENARY of evil.

 

never heard of the cold war dude? Is this thread about new marine bases in europe, no.

Personally I don't like all the aid we give out to the world, we have enough problems here in America without involving ourselves in everyone elses business. But sometimes it is necessary (afghanistan, Korea).

Did you know a large portion of fortune 500 execs are former marines (can't remember exact number).

Joining the armed forces shouldn't be looked down upon like a bad thing. Just think of it as another job path.

I could understand something like this if their was a draft.. but then they wouldn't need recruiters. It's not like these recruiters are forcing people at gunpoint to join.. they are just trying to make sure there are people around after them to help keep our interests around the world safe. Marines are the ones who guard our embassies so we can keep contact with countries all around the world.

Soldiers are thugs with no honour huh? they don't EVER fight to protect their home country from ideals which obviously create VERY oppressive governments. I would say the governments are the ones without honor. Yes their are instances of soldiers doing very bad things, which they should be punished for, but they are only human, humans make mistakes. But for every instance of a soldier doing something negative, there's pry 20x more good deeds they have done. (depending on what country your talking about)

 

Oh, Cold War. Yes, world was divided that time. Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, East Germany and Russia were in Warsaw Union that time. We were enemies that time remember?

Protect our homes? please, don't make me laugh.

Afganistan necessary? Oh, yes after Talibans got 5 billions $ from CIA to fight Russia they become pretty armed and created Al Kaida. Russia lost the war and the sword turned against they foundators. You created monster on your own breast.

 

The world is still just as divided. Maybe not on TV, but in real life it is. Taliban and Al-Queda are 2 different entities.

Sorry, but your idea for no military is just plain dangerous.