Bare Soles At 90 Degrees

Then don't! But didn't you complain about sharp surfaces and too hot and ask about how to get hard feet? You already were hurting them enough to have to ask.

Anyway, topic started as Barefoot in 90 degrees: tsss.

Well guess what? You can't put up with "tsss" without some amount of heat training or you'll have to probably go even to the grass in seconds. What about the articles about walking on gravel trails to get used to it, or in the woods? Ouch! I prefer pavement, but some use *that* to get used to it. Hot asphalt contests with friends? What does that mean? Ouch! Who can stand the longest before going to the shade, sidewalk, or grass... but then they also have someone to get more used it with. I've just extended that on my own because I'm not walking in gutters by the curbs to barefoot fitness walk on the blacktop streets. Crossing parking lots without deliberate heat training? Ouch! Hot to stand on, hot to walk on, and why then do FAQs and other barefoot sites even discuss walking on the white lines? Some barefooters look for the refrigerated or frozen food aisles (duh, if it's too hot wear shoes, right?) because they toughed out a hot parking lot or longer (remember sidewalk has its sections of ow hot) but that means trying to get used to it. Barefoot in the snow? Ouch! I don't do it, but they have to build up a cold tolerance to avoid frostbite. Barefoot running on paved surfaces? Ouch! I don't do it, but there are quite a few sites out there about how to get used to and those even logging and reporting how many miles or days.

Call me what you will... I don't care. You get your feet ready for your barefooting. I'll get my feet ready for mine. There is always some ouch! depending on how tender the soles in training are at the start of barefooting, or restarting after a particularly cold winter. I'm just sharing my experiences. GUARANTEED I can do almost an hour of walking on unshaded blacktop during the hottest afternoon hours at about 91 to 92 degrees dry heat, with just momentary heat checking when standing to see how short or long I can stand (realistic training for standing a pedestrian crossing or on a light or commuter rail transit platform!), without so much as getting ow hot on the soles enough to need shade or at most walk through it... and that's just from heat wave training before actual summer. Most walking is sidewalk when I am, but still paved, so that's roughness that requires shorter steps to prevent too much scuffing. No, I am not going to post videos, nor am I going to arrange meetups for proof, but that's that.

Oh, and blisters that peel off are not harm, because the slight indentation evens out with the rest of the sole and is just as heat tolerant as the rest of the sole. Those that don't and become calluses? Go look at barefoot running sites and some shares on the public SBL Facebook page and they proudly show off callused soles. I've seen third degree burns: if you watched the US show Dancing With The Stars, one of the dancers had a ripped blister with a blackened ring around it (charred skin from friction!) and showing the skin underneath and was STILL practicing for the next dance. Extreme, but then even go to dancing sites and they are hurting their feet with floor burns and even blisters from slides and spins used in contemporary dance... until they get used to it.

Again, your feet, your barefooting. My feet, my barefooting. I'm still more bothered by barefooters making a fuss and causing more no bare feet rules. Shoes required in store doesn't mean by law, doesn't mean by order of the health department, management doesn't even have justify it for safety reasons (slip and fall), insurance (in case of any injury) and that's that: store policy. Barefoot in there? Whatever... don't expect just cause they let it go once they will let it go again (or maybe they will) but remember as it is their business they can also ask ANY problem customer, not just a barefooter not to return. Then that's trouble because returning can mean a police call for trespassing: don't think it won't happen because theme parks that ban guests WILL do that.

 

Oh, and tattgirl (who changes writing styles as if there is more than one poster using the same name)...

Google search: "barefoot running blisters" (without the quotes). Just one of many links...

He's one of the FOUNDERS of the major movement: http://barefootrunning.com/?p=6995; read the COMMENTS and not his overconfident and flippant attitude towards barefoot running and injuries including BUT NOT LIMITED TO blisters.

Google search "contemporary dance blisters" (without the quotes). Again, just one of many links:

http://www.dance.net/topic/7859288/1/Modern-Dance-General/Making-dancing-barefoot-easier-HELP.html; plenty of tips from that forum's user community.

Google search "barefoot asphalt blisters" (without the quotes). Even a topic from *Hipforums* about hot asphalt and blisters:

http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/93254-barefoot-blisters/; yes, I commented about it too because it's normal, as the others already mentioned too, but I also didn't start the topic. You want to challenge hot pavenment, you feet will be burning, hot sidewalk and asphalt barefooters know. that Too much heat too fast is tender burned soles or blisters. Same goes for longer stretches of BEACH SAND and not just asphalt.

Hurting feet to get used to it on modern surfaces, is often REQUIRED, it's the amount of hurt. But it doesn't ALWAYS have to be BLISTERS, right?

Google search "barefoot on gravel". Yep. barefoot running on gravel:

https://www.thebarefootrunners.org/threads/running-on-gravel.6070/

How about this. "Barefoot hiking". Oh look, Active.com! Part of Competitor Group. The ones that organize the competitive walking and running events US *nationwide*! I don't know, do they do worldwide? Either way, they do recognize barefoot hiking enough to have AN OUTDOORS EDITOR ARTICLE ABOUT IT:

http://www.active.com/outdoors/articles/pros-and-cons-of-barefoot-hiking; Read BOTH pages.

Then there's always "barefoot toughening":

https://www.thebarefootrunners.org/threads/toughening-the-feet.2537/

Then there's always the opposite of heat-footing, "barefoot in snow":

http://www.barefootrunner.org/winter/wbfr_article_110610.htm; and don't forget about the Public SBL Facebook page (login required to view it) at https://www.************/groups/3057185310

Also on that page, besides frequent barefoot running, who cares I-was-barefoot-here photos (that others have already been barefoot in public at another time before an SBL post), and their anecdotes about barefoot at work, and challenging no bare feet in stores and other businesses. Last I checked was a photo with a woman standing in the snow with a reddened sole showing up in front of them. Except for the ball of the foot is starting to look frostbite white and the exact same spot of the sole where I get blisters in too much heat looks like it has third degree frostbite, not just dirt on that part of the sole. Except for blisters heal better than nerve damaged and dead skin from that much frostbite.

There you go.

 

So yeah, I spent some time browsing the SBL site, since it's public... and again... don't bother me about MY barefooting. In fact, look how well I healed from last summer, part of why they are becoming heat-proof to in the 90 degrees F range dry heat. Anyway... many show footing photos, some doing soleless sandals (even as a business), going barefoot and making a big deal about it (Winco, Costco, Home Depot) when keep your head up and your feet down is all that is needed (shopping cart helps but either barefoot or shoes and none of this foot jewelry). They do cold? I do hot. I train for much longer so that realistic walking is effortless, or at most challenging. Looking at a thermometer and -3 degrees C isn't really that cold, and I've learned that it's the temperature of the cloud that makes snow. In THAT respect, I've even done a couple of minutes on 0 degrees C but after 2 minutes it was stupidly prickly. Still wrote about it an another thread of how the soles were sweating to heat the soles.

You get it, so get it. I'm not trolling, that that's that. As I said before: I'm not posting videos, and I'm not arranging meetups, but GUARANTEED I can handle that hot for that long and I'll even add that if I encountrered another barefooter not used to extended heat (age 21 or older, I would tell a minor barefooter to get lost if they tried to barefoot with me)... I don't think they could keep up in a walking challenge unless they had desert area heat proof soles. Unless it's in the low 100 degrees F range, I have only had to walk through shade.

Anyway... the topic Barefoot At 90 Degrees wouldn't have come up unless it was done... too bad for the individual if they can't handle and for that matter if it's so important to have pampered supple soles, then why even barefoot at all that leaves any roughless except for tenderfooting it, right?

 

Good theory, but currently impossible to prove; he appears to be using a proxy server. No rule against being highly annoying, so we're all stuck for now.
:wall:

 

Some of us MIGHT just have taken a hint after posts #59 and #60. Not this guy........

 

Some people have social skills and judgment, others only care what the rules allow. I guess some actually like being hated. Sad.

You know, everybody can put him on their ignore lists. I just have my mouse scroll wheel set up on a really high speed, so I can zip past long, boring posts in half a second.

 

Then put me on an ignore list. Fine by me. Forum rules means I can post. As I said: long post or short post, those are my experiences. Forum summary: discuss the joys and travails of going barefoot.

Social skills: Don't need them, I post the text, photos when relevant, done. The post stands unless edited or deleted (however some forums have the decency to indicate Mod Edit or Mod Deleted in the same post, where Mod Deleted still shows the post placeholder). But anyway. Go ahead and hate me if you want to... I have no acquaintanceship nor friendship with anyone in this forum, nor do plan to try for that.

Not much more to post though, I'll just enjoy this summer regardless of whether it's barely warm earlier in the day or short moments of ow hot on asphalt (having trained for tens of minutes) or even gradual buildup of ow hot after several tenths of a mile on sidewalk, and not desperately need to cool the soles when I can just walk though shade or even momentarily stand in even ow hot shade with heat relief. Meanwhile carry on with your snow-footing, barefoot sandals due to lacking the confidence enough to just go in barefoot or not... to trick businesses (and then they'll just take a longer look at flip flops to check for a sole vs. a bare sole!), wandering the stores just waiting for a confrontation (staging it?), risking being banned from a business due to nuisance challenges AND causing a no bare feet sign to be put up for ALL barefooters... all that good stuff. Some of you selfish about your own barefooting instead of looking out for the greater good. Greater good: many looking out for the overall selfishness of the barefoot solidarity organizations does more to set back the just-going-barefoot person who couldn't care less about or might not even know about these solidarity organizations. Some of you less closed minded about *how* someone shares their experiences, as long as they shared them.

But blah, blah, blah. Right?

So okay... Winco? It gets mentioned as one the stricter anti-barefoot stores. They have several locations in the Southern California area. Store brands are okay to inferior, produce is alright, some brand names are more expensive to balance out the brand names that are cheaper. Whatever. Unless I am stocking up on canned goods for something like an earthquake emergency kit... otherwise just in and out for enough items I can even use their self checkout. But I digress... one location had a red/orange sign: SHOES REQUIRED BY LAW. Another location? Green sign: SHIRT AND SHOES REQUIRED IN STORE. Did I go in barefoot? Yes, both locations, but different years. Was I a bit nervous I would be called out? Yes: Shoes required, even if they were wrong about "by law". Did I keep my head up and feet down? Yes. The Shoes Required By Law location even had a product stocking associate say hello. Did anyone bother me otherwise? No. But then again I shop deliberately for items I want to buy and not just randomly walk the store!

Same with Costco: I had gone to FOUR DIFFERENT COSTCO LOCATIONS barefoot before being called out at another location, because I had to ask a supervisor where to find an item and that was enough to be told firmly "You need to have shoes in here". As they were in the car (and I told them that) and since I had a cart with items already, I told them I was almost done, *they told me where the item was located*... got the item (it was my last item to shop for) and proceeded to checkout. No further problems. They had my business, they weren't going to kick me out, but at least that location firmly warned me. If I doubt? Well, I etched an indentifier on my flip flops so it is clear they weren't stolen, so flip flops off but on the top shelf on the cart is all if I do shop Costco barefoot, the identifiers shows they are mine (because Costco does sell flip flops), so if they tell me shoes on... done, off the cart top shelf, down to the floor, worn. Except for only a trip to an indoor food court, who shops Costco without a cart anyway? On the rare times it was really something like buy Jelly Belly and a box of Milk... then call it done.

Yeah, I know... blah, blah, blah... but again scroll past or ignore is fine with me. Blah, blah, blah have a deliberate shopping list in hand, or at least a cart with items showing an intent to shop, or even a shopping basket. If you have to ask for an item? Ask! Finish the shopping trip, done. Look at them confidently, not down checking your feet, and even if they did notice, it won't be an issue, but if you look down, you just made sure they noticed! Don't *just* wander the store because like it or not: added the suspicion of being caught barefoot (even if they tolerate it, they *can* watch on camera) *and* just wandering without appearing to have any deliberate items to buy *might* make them think *at least* shoplifting or maybe even *worry about store robbery* (like they already do at convenience stores such as 7-11, and I don't think they are only going in the back to use the restroom when they probably can watch on camera). If you are just wandering, there better be items in the cart or shopping basket so it is clear you are getting additional items and pricing them, or else looking for an item before asking about it. Think!

Again, my feet, my barefooting; your feet, your barefooting. And once again to sum it up: I'm not the only one who does hot surfaces: there are posts *in Hipforums* about hot surface walking, standing on hot surfaces and measuring the surfaces (not the weather ambient air temperature!) with a infrared thermometer and they are in the 50 degrees C = about 123 degrees with is just at the point getting ow hot to stand on for longer and walk longer distances on unshaded asphalt... again, all that good stuff. I just didn't find them until searching them to basically tell others... get off me. (As an additional point of interest, I since I've bookmarked the public SBL page, someone asked everyone stop sending snowfooting photos.)

 

Oh, and I'll call "believe it or not" at claims of something like barefoot at -20 degrees C (-2 degrees F), because water freezes at 0 degrees C (32 degrees F), -20 C and would freeze the heck out of any moisture under the soles in seconds. (Just like enough heat dries out the soles faster than they can sweat.) One person did report being out for several minutes in the minus 10 or so degrees C range, then and taking tens of minutes to warm up their soles. That's not even snow footing, that's *ice footing*, even if it's finely shaved ice like snow powder. Might as well outright go for barefoot ice skating that would be warmer than just standing there! (Go all the way and make that a first, four inches of ice and all the winter books say that's okay ice thickness.) Or, let's just call that the opposite extreme in the cold, just as obsessed, fanatical, overdoing it, hurting their feet to get used to it (repeat frostbite and healing).

Then you have your "hot climate" barefooters (Australia, Arizona in the USA) that... while it is not *expected* they will tough out the heat, they are still in a milder climate area where as a regular barefooter they shouldn't need shoes anyway. 40 degrees C? Sounds hot, when I look at it in degrees F: 104 degrees air temperature. Fair enough, dry hot in the air, but then what time of day? "I go barefoot in 104 degrees F at 10:00am..." Okay, so for me that's I can feel the heat building hot but not quite burning hot enough to need to go to shade... that's asphalt, and I can still do sidewalk for miles as long as I mind my step size and speed for hot friction (even if not burning hot). "I can go barefoot in 104 degrees at 2:00pm..." Very impressive, I can only last a couple of minutes before needing to stand in shade, some of it which is still plenty hot shade... now let's see their soles. Not for fetish reasons, but there's a certain amount of callusing (even if it's more detailed lines on thicker soles), and redness (when they took the photo reportedly while still on the heat) and obvious gradual thickening of the soles from one who does it regularly vs. they just took off their shoes for the barefoot photo. As a heat-footer, I can usually tell the dedicated ones from the just took off their shoes for a photo one, and they don't always need to have their soles roughened with calluses some think are unsightly.

So blah, blah, blah. But again, time of day matters. Would I attempt a Las Vegas or Phoenix Arizona sidewalk walk around 9:30am in the 110+ degrees F range? Probably at least to see if I could, flip flops ready in case of desperate ow hot, but then on again/off again until it was consistently ow hot. 2:30pm? I better only be crossing a street, ready to walk faster or hot foot, and only as a very short heat test (as some say they test metal plates for many seconds at a time in peak heat) because I'll probably need to be on again/off again with the flip flops even few steps enough to just have to keep wearing them. They claim 35 seconds to get a second degree burn and "the afternoon" but they don't say when for "streets of fire".

But whatever. Carry on.

 

You can post to a blog here, rather than in thread posts, and that would be more appropriate for what you're doing. Threads are for interactive discussions with other members. You're basically using the BF forum as a blog, based on my observations and your own admissions.

Quite frankly, everyone seems to be confused at the moment about why you're here, and what you get out of it.

 

Lol. U think we shud ignore. How the f... do we do that now ??
And by fyi all u real barefooters. I assure u apart frm my fucked up writting style I am 1 human in mindbody.
Im gona post on another blog topic and never respond to this person who seems to have a fetish of self mutilation...and major me me me issues. Lol catch u on flip side

 

Now that he's deleted his own account name, it's basically impossible to do. :bomb:

Well... there's absolutely nothing wrong with our blog space, for people who just want to write a lot, rather than participate in group conversations. Our site owner has used it in the past, mostly for travel stories, and several other members have active blogs now. There's nothing negative or insulting about recommending that somebody use it, if it fits their posting style. I should have thought of this sooner.

Anyway, enough of this distraction, for now at least.

 

Never thought I'd say this but I kinda miss him now he's gone. At least he provoked a reaction. This forum seems dead now...

 

Had He Done What Karen Suggested And Create His Own Blog Space All Would Have Been Good And Well,

But He Chose Not To, And That Is His Decision And His Decision Alone......



Cheers Glen.

 

I love barefootin' but I can tell you from experience, tit CAN cause you some damage.. I once spent a week in the hospital unit with 1st & 2nd degree burns to the bottoms of my feet after running on some fresh black top during a particular hot summer.

 

He's got worse problems than blisters on his appendages Fer Shure . Just one of them is ...Lesions on his skull contents

 

This year when things heat up I am going to test what temperature hot really is cause air temp doesn't count. I noticed lack of wind cooling it off is what causes the deck boards to get hotter then I can tolerate during summer.

 

I have done over 100 on pavement.