Banning guns

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We Need Government Control Not Gun Control
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"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to posses arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so." -Adolph Hitler 1938

 

We should NEVER forget that Lenin, the Communist Revolutionist, was an agent of the GERMAN government. What is not commonly known is that Stalin murdered nearly 6 million Jews during the World War II period, as did Hitler.

 

One has only to learn what really happened to the Christians in Rwanda between April and July of 1994 to imagine what may lie in store for Christians here in America at some time in the not-too-distant future. After the Christian Tutsis had been disarmed by governmental decree in the early 1990s, Hutu-led military forces began to systematically massacre the defenseless Christians. The massacre began in April 1994 and continued until July 1994. Using machetes rather than bullets, the Hutu forces were able to create a state of abject fear and terror within the helpless Christian population as they systematically butchered hundreds of thousands of them

 

Says it all doesn't it.

 

CROCODILE DUNDEE KILLED BY GUN-CONFISCATING POLICE

I am unashamed to tell you I am weeping as I write this story.

Last August, Rodney William Ansell, the rugged Aussie whose real life exploits inspired the Crocodile Dundee movies, died in a shootout with Australian police who had come (to confiscate his unregistered firearms. Oh, you didn't read about it in our ‘free’ press? That's cause it never appeared.

A police sergeant was also killed in the incident; the number of "peace officers" injured while invading old 'Croc' in his natural domain is unknown, but likely he took down several. I don't mean to imply glee over the death and possible additional injuries; after all, they were "just doing their job" like the obedient Nazi's tried at Nuremburg.

Ansell had been named 1988 Australian Man of the Year for inspiring the movie and putting Australia on the Tourism Map." of particular interest to us here in the tourism dependent desert, Ansell was probably responsible for hundreds of millions of increased tourism dollars flowing into his beloved country. This is how his country repaid him. Because you see, in today's world, no good deed goes unpunished and no bad deed un-rewarded. After all, Janet Reno was the laughingstock of DA's nation-wide for her inept to outright unlawful per-formance in Florida. She is now "our-Attorney General (in addition to Fidel Castro's

 

New statistics for crimes involving handguns in Britain provide evidence, the pro-gun lobby said Thursday, that a ban on licensed weapons had been misguided and ineffectual - the problem all along had been illegal firearms.

Last year, 3,685 crimes were committed by perpetrators armed with illegal handguns, including 43 murders, 310 attempted murders and 2,561 robberies, according to Home Office figures released to parliament. It is the highest number in seven years.

In 1997 the incoming Labor government banned possession of all handguns after a gunman at a school in the town of Dunblane killed 16 children and their teacher. The ban extended to all handguns an earlier, partial ban instituted by the former Conservative administration.

By a deadline in September that year, some 100,000 privately owned firearms were surrendered to the police. Anyone caught in possession of one after that date was liable to a jail term of up to 10 years.

Richard Law, the secretary of the Shooters' Rights Association, said Thursday the new statistics showed the ban was wrong.

"We took the view at the time the government was imposing the ban that it would have no effect on armed crime, and we said they were penalizing the wrong people," he said in an interview.

"The government was claiming these measure would reduce crime. From previous statistics, we knew they were lying, but this is what they claimed."

Law attributed the move to a "knee-jerk reaction" by the government to pressure from the media demanding drastic action after Dunblane. "It's one of the most blatant examples I think of political scapegoating on record."

Illegal weapons were still circulating in large numbers, and would continue to be, he said. Yet licensed owners were the ones penalized.

"What they passed was a bad law based on a misconception. In our view, no bad law can be sustained."

Law conceded, however, that it was unlikely the government would back down, and restore firearms to their licensed former owners.

"The assumption among gun-owners was that the government had its own agenda."

Law said Britain's gun laws were fundamentally based upon the country's first firearms legislation, in 1920.

That law was presented as a crime-control measure, but was actually intended, he said, to prevent guns from getting into the hands of "people who were not friends of the government," following the revolution in Russia, an uprising and guerilla warfare in Ireland, and with trade unions growing more powerful at home.

"It was thus a counter-revolutionary measure ... a despotic measure in a bid to save their own skins. It was taken under the Emergency War Powers Act and thus should have been revoked, but never was.

"Successive governments have built upon it, creating a monumental disaster that is an insult in a democratic country."

Law said the blanket ban has had a powerful effect on pistol-shooting clubs, forcing many to shut down and leaving gaps in many communities where they had fulfilled an important social function.

Britain's sports minister, Kate Hoey, conceded in a magazine interview earlier this month that the handgun ban had done nothing to stop criminals from obtaining weapons.

"I have never accepted the link between legal holding of firearms and illegal weapons," she told Sporting Gun magazine.

"I represent [the electoral constituency of] Vauxhall in London where there's a substantial number of illegal weapons on the black market, very easily available, and I'm not sure that the handgun ban has done anything to prevent illegal weapons getting into the wrong hands."

Hoey said that after the Dunblane shooting and another in Hungerford a decade earlier, "there was a kind of attitude that somehow there must be something slightly wrong with anyone who was involved in shooting. I knew this to be untrue and I thought even some of my colleagues in the House of Commons took a very unfair attitude."

She said she would continue to work to support shooting as "a very good and disciplined sport that actually would be of benefit to many young people, in the right circumstances and with the right supervision

 

Ruby Ridge all over again.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

 

Good Observation.

 

Maybe in Bizarro History he did. Stalin's purges through the 1930s (not during WW2) are thought to have resulted in about 10 million deaths (but this number is under dispute by some historians as Russia was suffering from a brutal famine at the same time).

While Jews were certainly among the victims -- most were Russians and working class people of various ethnic backgrounds, ages, and sexes.

 

Of course you don't. Who does?

 

we have to remember that native americans use guns and therefore they have been made whole

 

That's an interesting way to look at it, Molly.

 

That famine was started by Stalin himself by puting city slickers in the country without knowing anything about farming also the fact the farms were now being run by the communist state.

 

Dirk correction = a muzzle loader when our admendment were writen was equal to a bazoka or machine gun only with canons being equal to a nuclear device and you could own and buy 1 if you had enough money = ship captains had small canons aboard small shipping"cargo" ships.

 

you shouldnt equate people who are pro guns aka personal freedoms and liberty as pro bush. i hate bush. i love hunting and the outdoors. why i would agree people who hunt out of season shouldnt be out killing, if it came between me and a bear, i would kill it.

i value my live over that of a bear. Nature is survival of the fitist and in a primal situation such as life and death, i choose life.

You can lobby all you want from the bannishment of guns, but when you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. People who legally buy guns are in an extreme minority in overall gun crimes. that is a fact. I take it you are pro prohibition of all substances that kill, because cigs and alcohol cause ALOT more deaths a yr than guns.

 

Has anyone considered the folks that wrote the constitution and the bill of rights may have had a reason for the second amendment;

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.)

"The great object is that every man be armed . . . Everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution.)

"The advantage of being armed . . . the Americans possess over the people of all other nations . . . Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several Kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in his Federalist Paper No. 46.)

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." (Second Amendment to the Constitution.)

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I think the real concern with banning guns is, that if you do so the real worry is that only cops and the military will have guns. Now there are some folks I trust.
sine cera

 

I like the idea that people are not for banning guns. I am pretty sure those who voted against banishing guns not all are gun owners or even care for guns but respect others rights to own them. Just as I shall respect the rights of others.

 

LMAO. Fck that bear. You have got to be kidding me. You have no concept of his concepts after only 1 post.
Which part of the old only outlaws would have guns argument do you not understand? It's an oldie but goodie my friend.
By the way I have always enjoyed your other posts!