Bad Trips on Salvia

That sounds pretty nuts. I wasn't there, but the first time one of my friends did salvia, he thought he was a spider and was jumping around very close to moving traffic.

 

It is a powerful drug ... and is rumoured to be the most powerful psychoactive known to man.

Almost all super-experienced psychonauts agree: psylocybin is less powerful than LSD, LSD is less powerful than DMT, DMT is less powerful than 5-Me-DMT, 5-Me-DMT is less powerful than 5-MeO-DMT, and 5-MeO-DMT is less powerful than salvinorin-A (which is found in salvia).

Whereas, "less powerful" means one loses more control over themselves, one experiences most powerful visuals, more powerful sensory input, etc. Salvinorin-A approaches a power so high that it ends up scaring more people than it intrigues.

Regardless of that, salvinorin-A is about the potency of LSD; both are psychoactive at about 50 micrograms, and the typical dosages are around 500 micrograms. Nobody has ever ingested more than 1.5 mg of salvinorin-A and enjoyed the experience, to the best of my knowledge.

 

Eh, I think you could be mistaken: http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=2830

 

actually salvinorin does nothing at 50 mics - it is a typo in the literature that has persisted - a few of these errors are all over the place - the sentence it is found in relates to Oral administration with DMSO (and acetone)- the actual threashold dose for oral is closer to 5000 mics as even 500 mics is sub threashold for oral.
so LSD is definitely stronger by weight of chemical.
but at 850 mics smoked salvinorin does something to the mind so quickly that it gets a reputation for strongness that it truly deserves.
DMT can do it but takes more chemical weight.
LSD does more but slolwy so one has a chance to keep their seat. Psylocibin is like lsd but takes more chemical weight.

 

Funny, though, that I've seen the ask erowid thing before, and it conflicts with things said by Dr. Shollgen on his "Ask Dr. Shollgen" website. I'd trust Dr. Shollgen above erowid, though ... regardless, I wasn't talking about potency so much as strength, nor was I talking about threshold ability. Supposedly, salvinorin-A isn't as active as LSD in lower doses, but in higher doses becomes more active than LSD.

 

I have always heard that by weight, Salvinorin A is the strongest hallucinogen around...

 

All in all, LSD has one of the lowest active dosages of any drug, and salvinorin-A comes mighty close, and most psychonauts who have tried both tend to agree that salvinorin-A is more powerful, in the "overwhelming" sense.

 

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I agree with therefore about never having a bad trip because I always just "go with the drug". There's not that many things that would panic me in sober life, and not really when I'm under the influence of substances either.

Hrm...just noticed the background fjor this page...pretty trippy.

 

The only thing I dont like about this stuff is the overwhelming feeling that I have become part of something, such as a lamp or wall or a toaster once.

Also, I noticed that when mixed with black tar, the effects hit you alot longer than just a few minutes. I once felt them for upwards of 1 1/2 hours off of 2 good hits of a bowl with some 5x.

 

i think a lot of the "bad trips" people have are by people who dont know how to use it.. ive seen plenty of people who just want to get fucked up talking about being part of the wall or something.. i even felt similar the first few times... but ive learned that it only really works when im in the right mindset and alone & laying down with eyes closed under the air conditioning vent.... then shit gets intense and you travel places..

 

I once sat there in a room across from a friend, and if I closed my eyes, I could see myself out of his eyes, near perfect too!

 

well my first salvia trip i guess was pretty bad, i panicked an shit myself. but i learned alot. I guess it was because of my inexperience. But ever since then all my trips have be fukin awesome. man i love this drug