Probably self explanatory, but I recently received 1oz of red vein bali kratom yesterday and gave it a shot before bed. I took 10 capsules (probably a little over 5 grams), and did not receive much of an effect other than some relaxation. The only other substances I use are nicotine from my ecig, bud every now and again, and rarely some alcohol. I did take the capsules on a somewhat full stomach, so i fear that may be an important variable as well. The vendor (not 100% sure if i can name it, so i wont) seems legitimate. It is Kratom Association certified, and when I emailed them about the quality of their product they said that "The kratom you are buying from us today was harvested and cured anywhere from 3 to 6 months ago, depending on the strain." Assuming they are not lying through their teeth, was I correct to dose at 5g's of "premium" red vein bali? I've only done kratom two times before this one, and it was 4grams of headshop maeng da. The maeng da did the trick, but this stuff is either weaker or bunk and that's what I am trying to determine. Anyway, tonight i will take 10g on a dead empty stomach with some form of orange juice. Thanks for any and all advice!
Hey Nok, I'm new here but not new to Kratom. You certainly should have got a good effect from 5 grams of good quality red vein Kratom which is prolly actually a Borneo strain. Maybe you should just go with 7.5 grams next to edge on the side of caution as 10 grams is most one should consume of any strain (That is actually of "Premium" quality) in a 24 hour period. This is my experience with good Kratom anyway(Been a fan for a couple of years now). Maybe you got a bad batch or this strain just isn't for you. If the maeng da gave you what you wanted then keep some around and experiment with other strains to find the ones that give you what you want. Also head shops tend to have weak products anyway as they are only interested in that "$$$$" so that may me a factor in what you have in this batch. Buying Kratom online is really the only way to go as most dont have the storefront cost and I found their quality and prices much more reasonable.5 grams of good red vein from a capsule should have given u a stimulating effect first then slowly a nice relaxation feel if it's actually good quality. In my experience with this strain anyway. Maybe this strain just isn't for you as from what I've seen everyone has their favorites and then they have tried some strains that don't do anything for them. Personally I found that Maeng Da, Bali and Green Malay strains are all the just right for me. But I also always get mine from the same source and always top quality (google kratom k) ;-). I have tried some strains that just didn't do it for me and I thought it was bad quality at first but thru trial and error I have found that once you find the strains that give you what you want then stick with them. Also I have only tried capsule form of any strain but some of my friends like powders and extracts which of course just come on faster. But another thing since you mentioned Orange Juice I have to tell you I always drink Greatfruit juice maybe 15 minutes before the capsules and some with them. Orange Juice is prolly just as good because the reason for drinking these juices with anything that you want your body to absorb the maximum amount of what you are consuming and the citric acid in these juices is what does the trick as I was told by a physician of many years so I assume it's a legit fact. Ok so I'm rambling but just wanted to give you my trial and errors with Kratom. Let us know how your next trial with this batch goes, hopefully well.
Thanks for the advice, Remow. After the experiance with 5grams, i decided two days later to give 10grams a go. It took about an hour to fully feel the effects, after I sat down for dinner I immediately began to feel the effects- a soothing euphoria, and very mild stimulation was overpowered by the euphoria and sedation. I actually felt some nausea and decided that if i walked around or stood up for to long i would probably puke. Ended up laying down for two hours, feeling really damn good other than an itch here or there and some nausea. The vendor is after all legit, and they also offer the Borneo strain along with Red Vein Bali and Red Vein Thai. I have 10g left and intend to use 7-8g this time around in hope of reducing the nausea. If this experience is half as good as the last, i'll be ordering two or three ounces more of these capsules. EDIT: I think having just eaten before taking the 5g really affected the experience and absorption.
Hey Nok, Glad your 2nd round proved much better. A few things I have learned along the way that makes huge differences is as you did this round is to take kratom on empty stomach.The Gratefruit Juice or Pomegranate Juice (POM Brand) seems best to keep around it really helps in your system absorbing the product. I drink a small glass 10 min or so before and some with the kratom. Orange and other juices work as well but pomergranate seems to always make a huge differenece and stays in your system longer. I think 7-8 grams is plenty for you to get what you want and even 5-6 with empty stomach and use of the juice could prolly do it without the nausea which is a result of maybe taking a little too much but lying down as you did usually reduces the nausea to nill. I have had many great experiences now with kratom thru my trial and errors with it over the past few years and found the important ones are as with any other substances. #1 is don't abuse them and build a tolerance as your experience will go downhill very fast and you have to start useing higher and higher dosage to get that feeling you want but it's not the same and gets expensive. I have learned to stick with once a week or twice at the most and every now and then go two weeks. Doing this I found that the same amounts always do the trick. I've never done more than 7.5g at one time to achieve this which is a result of having a good consistent supplier which it looks like you may have. I have never bought it anywhere but online, I like to get the 228 caps for less than $110 shipped as this amount last quite awhile and like to keep my fav 3 strains around to enjoy. Well glad your experience is worth the $$ you spent now and it all goes well next round. Empty stomach, Pomergranate Juice and stress free enviroment (meaning off work for a few days, my fav music available for cranking up....etc..) are all key for me also. But I have found also you dont have to starve yourself either, once my buzz has peaked it seems to not matter if I eat something as in it doesn't take away my buzz. Enjoy yourself Cya!
