Australia becomes 10th nation to introduce tax on greenhouse gas emissions

I welcome you to change mine, in fact I would thank you if you did. If our view is based on stubbornness and preconceived notions rather than the evidence, that can't be good. But my very limited knowledge is based on studying climatology at university, and reading the IPCC report which is still considered the current status of the science, and so far no one has been able to challenge its contents to the satisfaction of myself or the many climatological bodies around the world. If you manage to do that, that would be a fantastic achievement for science.

That's true. Generally speaking though, if a party proposed to not 'control' anyone including murderers and thieves as McCleodGanja was proposing, would anyone vote for them, no matter how misinformed or apathetic? And a tax isn't even a 'control' in that sense - if you choose to pollute you just pay for it. You won't be carried away by the cops if you don't.

 

Adding any kind of "energy tax" in the US will only serve to bury an already crippling economy. Government needs to step aside and stop their social engineering project and let the private sector (consumers) decide what type of energy they want to buy. Quit using unproven science to force a policy down the throats of the taxpayers of the country. Any idea how much natural gas we have in reserves here in the USA? Greater that the Saudi oil reserves, and it burns very clean, it's cheap to recover, and best of all, it's OURS!

 

More doomsday talk. Do you have food on your table? Shelter? Then the economy is fine. Once the environment goes you won't have anything, there will be complete chaos. It's the difference between an abstract concept like the economy and something real.

 

I'm sorry, but you are so rediculously ignorant... Yes the dollar is bullshit, and the fed deserves to die, but in the system we live in people are losing EVERYTHING because of the economy so it IS a very real concept untill we change the system of government we live in. Also global warming... not so real, but I have already posted my opinions on that. Also sure it may be doomsday talk, but its doomsday talk that will actually affect people, unlike global warming.

 

Once again, what exactly are they losing? Your parents have been buying deluxe homes and furniture, TVs, swimming pools and wallowing in luxury for decades and now complain about their debt. Whatever they lose under the 'system' might help remind them about the real necessities in life such as food and shelter - what our descendants will lose in the future from unmitigated global warming will be much worse.

 

I agree, but when an honest man and his family are just trying to get by in our fucked up capitalistic society, they lose their jobs because of the bad economy and they lose their house, and have no money for food, their kids get taken away because they are so poor that they can't take care of them... there is something wrong. People lose everything because some rich asshole on wallstreet fucked shit up.

Anyways, lets say that you are right, the earth will heat up to the point where it isn't bearable, and the whole world is under water... who gives a fuck? If it really came to that point, I wouldn't. It's just the world cleansing itself from the canserous little beings called humans. The human species will go extinct at some point, most likely from a meteor, or a supervolcanoe or a deadly virus. A fake theory is the least of the problems we should be thinking about.

pfft, next ice age that comes I'm sure some assholes will blame it on something similar like global warming, and the little sheep will believe them and give them all their money just like they are now, just because they can't look into the history of the Earth and think for themselves.

 

UK already does this.. yet it is very misleading..

 

Honestly, I feel the same. If a giant tidal wave came and wiped out the entire civilization I would probably be celebrating. Still, if it does turn into a hothouse or icehouse we have the technology to survive, unfortunately.

 

Walsh you made me laugh when you said scientists at universities have fixed wages. What a crock of shit that is. More than nearly any other business scientists live on a grant by grant basis. My life would be less stressful if this were not the case. If you do not publish enough papers in good enough journals your out and thats it.

And unfortunately grant sources are biased in what research they give money too. It used to be very hard to get funding for research on illegal drugs if your results didn't show negative effects or worse showed positive effects. Its part of why there are so much blatantly bullshit propaganda published on drugs.

I'd be willing to bet if two groups submitted grant proposals to ARC (Australian Research Council) with similar reputations one saying they plan to show evidence of man made global warming and the other saying they plan to show the global warming is not man made that the one aiming to show it is man made would get the funding and the other would not. Regardless of how sound there science was.

I think a lot of the science that supports man made global warming is flimsy at best. Some of the error bars you see on their graphs are ridiculous. Thats if they even put error bars on. Seriously in any other field of science the shit would be laughed at. And thats not to mention the faulty equipment used to take temperature measurements.

They seem to like to ignore water vapor as a contributor to global temperatures but I guess I would too considering how much it over shadows CO2