Attention Parents Of Teens!!!!

i never had a problem with it until i was incharge of my teenaged sister who went completely psycho with the drugs. a little beer, a little pot, neither ever harmed me. i wasn't inclined to attach to either. but my little sis lost her fucking mind and just about lost her fucking life just over being stupid while stoned and getting into the wrong car with the wrong guy. yeah, i'd say that shit has to be VERY closely gaurded. and i know, the argument is "but she wasn't being responsible." well, shit, she was stoned, how was she supposed to make the appropriate RESPONSIBLE choice?

 

Marijuana has never hindered my ability to make responsible decisions. Alcohol, on the other hand, has definitely lead me to make VERY irresponsible decisions. Which is why I haven't drank any alcohol in a very long time. Which takes me back to one of my original arguments that if alcohol is legal, there is no reason that marijuana should not be legal.

 

RE: If the opinions you have posted on this thread are any indication as to how you're raising your children

And what opinions would these be? Interesting how you would infer how I parent my kids based on my opinions. What assumptions would you be making? That I'm some kind of beat-them-black-and-blue spare-the-rod Christian? I do A.P. thanks --- and have a GREAT relationship with both kids. And by all accounts they're happy, well adjusted, polite, considerate and intelligent. So don't ASSUME cause you end up making an ASS out of U, but not me.

RE: then I can say, without a doubt, that there are SOME aspects of your parenting that need to change.

And I say that you do NOT have any right to dictate anything to be based on what I've said. Oooh, so I believe my kids shouldn't break the law, wreck their health by taking illegal drugs or escape from reality rather than grow and develop as people. That they should learn to read and write properly and have the discipline within themselves to chase their dreams NO MATTER WHAT THEY MIGHT BE.

RE: That's not to say that you're are a bad parent, as that is obviously not the case based on your obvious passion towards the subject.

I'm glad you agree.

Listen, if you wanna do dope, that's your own perogative. There's pros and cons behind both. There's very beneficial things it can do, and there's downsides, like cancer, lethargy and psychosis. There is NOTHING in this world that gives without taking away.

But as I've said TIME and TIME again, you can make those kinds of decisions when you're an adult. When you are the one taking the responsibility for your actions. I've argued elsewhere against 13 and 14 year olds screwing 20something men and bringing home infections and babies. The parents of that girl SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DEAL with that crap. She wants to have a baby, she can move out, pay her bills and take her own risks. Same thing here with dope.

I will NOT stop my kids from doing anything they would want to do without a valid reason. No tattoos until they're 18, cause you don't wanna put N'Sync on your arm at 13 and regret it later, or outgrow the tattoo and have it look like crap at 21. No booze drugs or tobacco. No exceptions. You can ruin your lungs, liver and brain when you're old enough to see drunks and nic fiends for what they really are, not the beer and cig commercials.

But I'm not the Nazi killjoy you think I am. They can dye their hair, cut it how they wish - wear clothes which cover various bits of their choice so long as they don't contain offensive stuff (for example: US ARMY, swastikas, etc) and generally do whatever they like so long as they don't cause any harm to themselves or others or consider something that'll ruin their lives for good.

Am I that out of touch with people here for thinking a kid shouldn't try to dictate to his parents that he should be allowed to break the law under their roof?

 

Well now Irongoth I have always respected your post's, opinions, and all that other good jazz. On one hand I respect what your say in this quote, I believe that if you have something to lose, it gives you a reason not to do smoke herb. But however I also smoke herb, I prefer to not call it dope, grass, or wacky tabacky, its herb, because thats what it is. Herb (marijuana) is a plant, and I beleive that herb is a way better drug then lets say alcohol. Face it alcohol is worse than herb, it makes you incohherent, it messes up your judgement, makes you pass out, it makes mens testosterone fly through the roof (fights). But what does herb make you do, it makes your music appreciation grow, you laugh a little, smile alot, and you dont even feel like shit in the morning. Although herb does have its setbacks physically, like a cancer increase, but then again what does not give you cancer these days.
Another fact to prove my point further, can you drive while intoxicated under the influence of Alchohol NO! But can you drive under the influence of THC YES!

Now I am a college student and I utilize herb to my advantage, to relax, to reflect, to do something else other that drink. You were nagging on people about their writing skills, are you going to nag on me, because use "dope".
You can't because heres the proof that there are litteral people who use dope

Drugs are a path in which the user decides to make them, they could be used for the good of humans, or made into something its really not.

Why drugs are illeagal I dont know the real reason why, but in my mind its better than alchohol.

 

I agree with all of that and might have jumped the gun a little in saying that you need to change your parenting tactics, and I apoligise for that, but I would just like to know that you are telling them that there are good and bad aspects to EVERYTHING in life. I'd hate to think that you are telling them that marijuana is all bad OR all good.

 

And everyone don't bash IronGoth for how he raises his children thats his own perogitive no one else's. Parenting is based on his views and that should stay that way. Everyone has there own theory on how to raise their kids, and he has his.

 

RE: I agree with all of that and might have jumped the gun a little in saying that you need to change your parenting tactics, and I apoligise for that, but I would just like to know that you are telling them that there are good and bad aspects to EVERYTHING in life. I'd hate to think that you are telling them that marijuana is all bad OR all good.

No sweat, we all do that kind of thing.

Yeah, I will naturally tell them the gateway drug theory is bullshit, the government lies through its teeth about dope and other drugs - however, I will also teach them, mostly by example, that you can get through life without resorting to alcohol or drugs. We'll watch bar fights in streets at 3 am from the vantage point of a car, and I'll point out that while marijuana isn't the demon they make it out to be it's not good for you either.

But all of this is age appropriate. You don't tell a six year old cops can and often are pigs. You tell them if there's a building on fire, find one. Later you can point out that sometimes the president lies, cops aren't the knights in blue armor they're made out to be....

 

I guess it's agreed, then. I've enjoyed the coversation. Talk to you later.

 

Yeah, even I have to agree that how he raises his children hasn't much to do with what the REAL point of this thread should be.

Iron Goth, although I know your mind is set, I still think you should read "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" at www.jackherer.com. I think it may enlighten you a bit in certain areas such as hemp. The debate over mj legalization will be endless, but HEMP could save the world!!! It can't get you high, but it has THOUSANDS of uses.

 

blah blah blah, stop bitching and let him do whatever the hell he wants, it doesnt involve you.

 

You would also think someone above the age of 18 would be able to view ideas and events from an alternate perspective, but apparently not. Maybe also after college someone who isn't you could do research among current, published studies on marijuana, rather than absorbing the DEA's information (generous) like a sponge. You might want to lay off the high horse for a while, maybe get the balls to do your own research and your own thinking.

 

Because I'm under 18 and have too much time on my hands at 2am, let's go over a few things. I decided to go through your sentences with a fine tooth comb, and pick at all your errors.

I'll rewrite it for you, you (presumably) can count your errors yourself. If you don't, pm me, and I'll be happy to help you with the numbers after 10.

Since when will laying off caffeine make you less ugly? (It causes vasoconstriction, which over time causes damage to the cardiovascular system. Varicose veins aren't hot, but that's unrelated. Also, caffeine, over time, causes damage to serotonin receptors; the same ones too much MDMA damages. Also, caffeine causes muscle constriction, which over time, leads to wrinkles)
I'll reiterate this because you're clearly too addled by drugs and child porn, like in your sig, to comprehend. If you drive your father's car and get stopped and there's marijuana (changed for clarity, dope can also refer to heroin) in the car, your father loses his car. (This is blatantly incorrect; cars aren't seized by the government. Punishment depends on the size, divisions, and other equipment present on the person or in the vehicle. I suppose losing his car is a possibility, if he doesn't go to the impound/tow lot and pick it up). Feel free to lose YOUR own (changed capitalization because 'his own' and 'your own' both have own, the YOUR is different) car or SAME own (same thing) house, but (tsk tsk; an educated individual such as yourself [sic] should know not to begin a sentence with a prepostion) don't screw around and give someone ELSE legal problems(Oh, I'm sorry, it would appear parents are no longer involved in their childrens' lives. Shit.).

 

Boy(no offense, just a figure of speech [like free speech hahaha]), are you in for a treat today (tonight)! I've had time to do THREE WHOLE POSTS. Just for you! That being said, I'll go through your statement, and trash it, bit by bit, using scientific (big word!) sources.

Cool, you have a problem letting people mind their own business too? Just a side question, but have you been associated with any religious conservative lobbying group of late?

The difference is that people using marijuana don't kill people, steal, or lie to further their habits. If they lie, it's probably due to peer pressure, or due to the pleasentness of the 'high' state. Let's be clear it's *not* a violence "chronic exposure may cause... aggressive irritability"(that sounds a lot like your average person... You piss them off, they bite back. By the way: Rosenkrantz, 1983)or physical addiction (see Below) causing drug.

Quoted from erowid: When human subjects were administered daily oral doses of 180-210 mg of THC - the equivalent of 15-20 joints per day - abrupt cessation produced adverse symptoms, including disturbed sleep, restlessness, nausea, decreased appetite, and sweating. The authors interpreted these symptoms as evidence of physical dependence. However, they noted the syndrome's relatively mild nature and remained skeptical of its occurrence when marijuana is consumed in usual doses and situations. The source: Jones, Clinical Studies of Cannabis Tolerance and Dependence". From a major medical journal too.

This statement proves you to be either stupid, ignorant, or both. Don't believe me? Check "Cannabis Sativa: Effects on Brain Function and Ultrastructure in Rhesus Monkeys," Biological Psychiatry 15:657 (1980). I went to the trouble of getting you a copy of the article: Check it out! http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=6251929&query_hl=1
If you bothered to go through that information, and the supporting data, you'd find that ***100*** times the normal marijuana dose was required (I read the article, and chose a slightly more conservative number than erowid) before *any* permanent effect on the brain was noticed.

On the subject of lethargy:
That's a load of bullshit. Literally. Teenagers are lethargic by nature; I was lethargic before I started using marijuana (by the way, my grades have gone up; I'm an Eagle Scout and 2nd chair in a symphony that won a national competition. How's that for lethargic/stupid. /me gets off his high horse). Being lazy is a choice. Just like masturbation, marijuana, or anything else. The difference between marijuana and say, coffee (or heroin) is that without the use of said psychoactive substance, the user is not physically disabled. You try taking the cup of coffee from a network admin; see how far it gets you.

 

whatever, man. dave used to have nearly unlimited supplies of pot but couldn't get any alcohol. he was still a fucking dumbass. i agree that pot being illegal while alcohol is legal is stupid, since they both turn you into fucking dumbasses.

 

oh, and toketrip, the fact that my little sister robbed up blind to get more pot says to me that people with any kind of mind numbing habit are willing to steal to get it. and it DOES impair driving. i can't for the life of my understand why anyone would think that it doesn't. and so far as i can tell, killing someone while driving stupid stoned is still killing someone for their habit.

 

No! And I'm only 23 with no kids and was raised by a mother who gave me a 9:00 cerfew for god's sake. She still lectures me on how maraijuana is a gateway drug - and I'm married and live 1500 miles away from her (and have for 4 years). I can completely understand what it is like to have frustrating parents. But I still try to practice some common sense...it isn't hard to understand why parents would get angry over their children doing something that is considered criminal.

 

Alright then, let's make everything that's harmful to our bodies illegal! Fuck personal responsibility, let the government decide!