Attention Parents Of Teens!!!!

I read the first five pages then skipped up to here, doesn't look like much has changed.

So Iron, is the basis of your whole argument that its illegal? Because thats all I've really seen so far. Now granted, it is somewhat dangerous to smoke because of the threat of being arrested, but just because its illegal doesn't mean its wrong. Seriously, what if we were living in a state where speaking about religion was illegal? Would you just shut up and never express your religious beliefs just because some judge or some lawyer or some dictator sitting at the top decided that its wrong to talk about god? Fuck, man, if more people refused the law maybe it could be changed. I mean, people have been trying for years and years to appeal to the government and get pot legal, people have been trying to be responsible and make sensible limits on pot, like alcohol, but where has it gotten us? All the government does is turn to some other government agency who is always happy to pump out more bullshit lies declaring it dangerous. Meanwhile they aprove bullshit medications that make kids want to commit suicide just to put more money in the pockets of the pharmecies. You know what? Fuck appealing to change the law. for some 80 years its gotten no where. Now its time to straight up defy the law. Like with prohibition of booze they'll have to realize that they can't arrest everyone for smoking pot. This is a law that they cannot enforce. Even a lot of cops are starting to come around. If they see you're just smoking minding your own buisness not hurting anyone, they may just take your grass or give you some slap on the wrist. There are bigger problems in the world than some kids smoking pot, and the cops know it. Its a waste of resources to hunt down and try people for smoking ganj.

So if your sole excuse for opposing pot is because its illegal, either stop being such a pussy and fight for your right to inhale, or bend over and let uncle sam ram it one more time. You dont have to smoke pot, but you should at least have the right, just like you have the right to say whatever the hell you want.

 

They've also shown that people with mental illness can have that go WAY south with dope, even though the people think they're getting better. Read the above.

 

Well, I disagree with the Drug War, but I will agree with Goth that I control my own household and what goes in it.

Just because the law is stupid, doesn't mean I want my property STOLEN by the government.

 

I disagree, and don't disagree. For one, no matter what my parent's told me I still smoked pot. Parent's are aware that they can't keep you from doing everything so when they say something like "You can't smoke pot" what they really mean is they don't agree with you smoking pot and don't want you to do it. They are very well aware that they can't follow you around 24/7 and slap the joint out of your hand every time you light up.

Parent's DO have the moral obligation to raise their kids to the best of their ability. It isn't dictating, it is parenting. They have an obligation to teach their kids right from wrong. Parents aren't around to let their kids mooch off of them for 18 years, that has no evolutionary benefit. The parents are around to give the individual they give birth to the best possible chance at succeeding at life. And that includes keeping their kid from being in and out of jail for possession.

 

Ply - I have no interest in dope, being it legal or illegal, and my whole contention is not that it's illegal.

Here's the remedial reading class, THC 101 version of what I'm saying for those of you too baked to figure it out.

A parent who is responsible for a child has a right to dictate to that child what is appropriate and not appropriate.

A parent has the right to say don't commit crimes in my house.

A parent has the right to say you can drink, smoke, dope up, whatever when you leave my house and pay your own bills, but until that magical day - my house, my bills, my legal consequences of your stupidity, my rules.

FULL STOP.

 

People, you don't seem to get that this thread isn't about wether pot should be legal or not. It is about how parents react to their child smoking pot, and why they may react that way, or wether they should react that way.

 

haha iron ur such a establishment type. no one listen to him. u gotta fight for your right to party. seriously man back off this thread was just a suggestion and u gotta start fights and shit with people.

i think its better to be a peaceful pothead then a argumentative straight and narrow. and dont even fuck with my spelling. we're on an informal internet forum, and no one gives a piss except for you.

 

This seems suicide for me in the marijuana forums but whatever... IronGoth has good points that a lot of people are ignoring. He doesn't want his kid to do anything that could harm him (the kid), as all parents should. I respect that since a lot of parents are not taking the responsibility to fully protect their children.

We are in the parenting forum here and being as many of the people arguing with IronGoth are not parents, they might not understand where he is coming from and I think that is the cause of much of this argument.

There are reasonable and safe ways to partake in marijuana or drink, most notably in moderation away from machinery which may cause harm to others if used incorrectly. It is illegal, but hopefully through protest and activism that may eventually be changed.

IronGoth, I partake in the use of marijuana on occasion, but I am presenting myself reasonably. If you have moral problems with the use of drugs, that is fine. The problem I am having with your argument is that you are dropping yourself to the level of a 'child', by insulting them and the use of stereotypes. Many people in this thread may appear to fit into those molds, but not everyone can be cast into them (hopefully myself included) and it is not reasonable to do so.

In reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that no one has learned anything from this thread and I hope it will be abandoned soon, so everyone can all move on.

**EDIT** somethings in this post may be redundent because i missed drumminmomma's post before i submitted.

 

I was simply critiquing the person's attitude, not the person, lest we forget.

 

I would disagree with anyone that says that marijuana causes a person to be lazy and unmotivated. I went through the tenth grade twice. The first time I was in the tenth grade was before I started smoking and I ended up failing every single class due to overly frequent absences and poor performance in the classroom. Then I started smoking before every class during my second tenth grade year and became highly motivated to the point where I attended every class and recieved straight A's and B's.

 

I would say you are over- reacting, too! Gonna do herion and drop out of school because you parents got on your ass? No, don't do that.

And as far as your thread goes, I (like alot of other parents) would so much rather my kids smoke pot than drink heavily. But I'm not gonna condone it while they are minors. When they are responsible for themselves, I'm sure I will smoke with them if they want.

 

We might not be PARENTS, but we have been PARENTED and we know the effects that IRONGOTH's type of parenting has on children. I was raised the way that IRONGOTH is apparently raising his children and I now resent the fact that I was raised by a parent with such a one-sided opinion on the subject of marijuana and other basically harmless drugs. All you need to do is teach your children about the good and bad of these substances and let them form thier own opinions based on factual information from both sides of the subject.

 

None of that means a person should allow your child to do illegal activity in your home or car because the kid thinks he has the right to make that decision. If a child makes a decision that could bring his parents down with him the parent has every right to flex the muscle of parental authority. I can understand any parent reacting harshly when there is a crime going on at his house - regardless if said parent thinks it should be a crime or not.

Do you kids not understand that your pot-smoking puts your parents at criminal risk? Do you think it is fair to do that to another person?

 

Agreed, and that goes both ways. I, for one, would love to grow my own, but not while my kids are minors and living at home. I would not jeopardize their home life in that way.

 

I'm not a kid and have never smoked in my parents house.

 

RE: We might not be PARENTS, but we have been PARENTED and we know the effects that IRONGOTH's type of parenting has on children. I was raised the way that IRONGOTH is apparently raising his children

You have NO CLUE how I raise my kids, so you can knock off that line of enquiry right now.

RE: Do you kids not understand that your pot-smoking puts your parents at criminal risk? Do you think it is fair to do that to another person?
I'm not a kid and have never smoked in my parents house.

Nice way to sidestep the question - which is pretty much the only thing I'm saying on the subject.

 

RE: I'm not a kid and have never smoked in my parents house.

The OP is, he is smoking in his parents' house, and he whines that if they don't lay off yelling at him he's gonna do heroin or slit his wrists. All expressed in near-illiterate drivel.

Take these issues up with him not me.

Note you won't find ONE parent who would find his or her legal status and/or property at RISK who agrees with the OP. They may agree the law is stupid but NOBODY thinks the 17 year old should dictate policy to the person who pays the bills and has the legal responsibility.

 

He was being sarcastic with his statement about cutting his wrists and doing heroin.
Some parents agree with freedom of choice and will gladly let thier children toke up as long as they are doing it responsibly and being discreet about thier actions and not doing anything to put anyone, including themselves, at risk of getting arrested.

 

RE: He was being sarcastic with his statement about cutting his wrists and doing heroin.

Uh, huh. So if you take out the sarcasm and drama, what's he really saying?

RE: Some parents agree with freedom of choice and will gladly let thier children toke up as long as they are doing it responsibly and being discreet about thier actions and not doing anything to put anyone, including themselves, at risk of getting arrested.

And that is their perogative. Those are the parents you see in the news "Mom, 44, charged in dope and booze party for 15 year old son..." And if the parents are fine with it, enh, that's their life and their risk. I've no more right to dictate to them what they do with their kids as the OP does to dictate policy to his or her parents - so long as said parents aren't molesting, hurting, abusing or neglecting their kids. I would however, want to take a long hard look at any parent that would have his or her kids doing illegal drugs before the age of majority, however.