attention christians

You're alright, headymoechick.

Just like Christians say "Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin" (although, they rarely practice that one!), I don't hate Christians, but I do hate what religion has done mankind.

 

I can agree. it makes me sick to think of what people have done in the name of God. such a disgrace.

You're ok, too, Libertine! I really don't talk religion with anyone, but it's so nice to talk to someone who doesn't have to resort to nastiness to get thier point across!

 

Dude, it's okay I understand, and I'm sure everyones gotten to the point of frustration, so badly that they may offend people in the process, no biggie. I totally agree with you on your last sentence in your first little paragraph there.

I think a lot of it happens to just be that way, because a lot of people are brought up in a certain religion and dont really know much about others, so they cant understand how people could view it much differently or something to that affect. I know people who used to go to my parents' church that think I must be "evil" just because I dont believe in god... and in that situation, I just have to laugh, because it's obvious they have never really looked into other ideas when they say stuff like that. What DOES offend me though is when Christians, or other religions who value some type of god, DO know a lot about other religions, but still bash me or shove their beliefs upon me... where I live the base of the community is either Lutheran or Catholic, so when an oddball like me comes along, they look at me as if I'm from another planet... a lot of them dont even know what an atheist is! When I was 15ish I remember one of my friends asking me what religion i was, and when I said atheist she said, "OH MY GOD, DOESNT THAT MEAN YOU WORSHIP THE DEVIL?!"... I just rolled my eyes and laughed.

I think misinformation is the biggest problem underneath it all.

 

If anyone trys to convince you to give up your beliefs you should kill 'em.

 

I am "going in circles"???

Please clarify. I am interested in seeing where this is going.

 

wow, becasue of your great argument, i finally get it. because my idol was a "christian" (he believed in things far to "unacceptable for you to label him that way, but yes he did believe in god. i really hope your not sying this because of "rivers of babylon") that means i should forefit my beliefs and convert! it also means that i should boot black tar heroin and go straight to re-hab! wow! i suddenly understand. thank you ever so much for shining your great light of truth on my ignorant ways. thank you.

ps: i hope you will note the sarcasm

 

Actually, it might help you gain perspective on life. About the other half of the speedball: Don't knock it 'till you rock it..

 

if i want another perspective ill stick with acid. i just dont see how him being a christian had any relavence at all

 

ok, ill state this again:

i'll say what i said in another post. i would just like to say that more wars have been fought in the name of god than anything else. that means that god is the worst and most clever serial killer of all time. yet his killings are forgiven and hitler and stalins go down as crimes against humanity (not standing up for them). this goes for any god.

how come this is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is looked at any different?

 

If faith was proof would't it just be called proof then?


"Faith" by definition is not proof.

 

Personally, I don't think God has a name ("God" isn't a name, it's just a noun)I mean, even the bible says that when Moses asked God what his name is He just said "I Am". So all these people who've done all this shit "in the name of God" were lieing to themselves right off the bat. Do you really think that all these people who were really doing all this awful shit in the name of fear, greed, hate, whatever, wouldn't have found some other excuse?

 

I read no post where anyone was personally attacked (except for me) and I took it in stride.

I agree with the mod that we are to debate and discuss, not have flame wars OR waste mod's time reporting non-threatening threads as threats.

I have already been given a few negative reps over my points (never personally attacking anyone) and I find that very discouraging and puritanical.

Had I been threatening or insulting certain persons I could understand the negative rep, but just because some people choose not to defend their beliefs and damn me to hell or call me names or tell me to "shut the fuck up"...

I hold people who can debate rationally (and sometimes humorously and sarcastically) on BOTH SIDES as friends, but when someone tries to get the ones they disagree with censored it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Please, respect ALL persons' rights to their opinion--as long as they do not slander or personally attack you.

UPDATE: My "bad rep" was removed. If it was the person who gave it to me, thank you for reconsidering. If it was a mod, thank you for acknowledging the negative vibe for no infraction.

 

yeah I got a bad rep point and I don't even know why... ? I thought I was being pretty peaceful about my discussion. Apparently some people just don't even want to hear opposing sides.

 

I dunno. He might be trying to convey the way he looks at the world by labeling himself as christian (directly or indirectly). Like a dyslexic calling themselves a sexdicly....

 

I have to highly disagree with some things here. Yes, a few posts were totally out of line and attacking Christians, but what about the Christians' insults?!

If you're goint too interfere to stop the drama from getting out of control, don't be biased. Stop it on both sides. I think it was right to delete a few nasty posts, but if you're going to do that, delete all of them that went too far, please.

 

I disagree that God is the cause of wars, and also that more wars have been fought over religion than anything else. The most destructive wars ever fought were World Wars I & II. Neither had any element of religion in them. And the same is true of nearly every other major war in history - although there are exceptions - but even in those cases, eg the crusades, there was a political motive lurking in the background.

 

A point that can be made is this: God controls all things- you, me, that turd floating down the river... so whether or not there is some bs explanation that fits within your mind (political reason or physical materialistic explanation) that is only something that God has caused to arise within your mind by acting in a specific way (encouraging the belief through deceptive measures).

In fact, when 'you' walk down the street, this is only God deceiving you into believing that your intent is what moves your body- actually God just waits to move (your body) until you believe that you intend to move. You have absolutely no power of your own. It is enjoyable when God creates intent within you before God moves you- this is the spice of life. It is also enjoyable to actually know what is going on, even if God can always remove that knowledge from your mind and replace it with something else in order to bring the knowledge to you one more time. God's striptease of the mind....

 

I don't buy this, as it seems thoroughly deterministic and suggests that we are simply machines with no free will, or at best, only an illusion of free will.
I think God creates the world and let's it run - although He may take a hand in things now and again, just to keep everything on the rails. We're placed into this world, and it's up to us to make of it what we will, either with or without God. Arguably, it's trying to do everything without God that's led to all this mess.

Actually though, you argument reminds me of the causalists, who stated that every single event requires the will of God. For a leaf to fall from a tree, first God has to will it to detach from the branch, then will for it to fall and continue so to will until it reaches the ground. Then He has to go on willing it to remain there. It is said that this position is incontivertible by means of logic - I don't know about that, but I'm pretty sure that's not the way things work.

 

This isn't true. Hitler was a religious man, and in many respects, a religous leader, teaching his own vision of the future, with his perfect race, etc..

Also, if it had nothing to do with religion, why did tyhe nazis put millions of 'jews' to death? Because of their religious beliefs.

Now I'm happy to admit that not every war has been linked to religion, but just because 'some' of them haven't been, that does not make it OK for the ones that have.

And Kharakov makes a good point, if god wanted the world to be war free, he would make it so - he loves us right? But war still continues, yet today - a religious war at that. So you have to adk yourself, maybe god just doesn't care about us - or maybe god doens't exist at all?